A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The Logical Implications of an Absolute Frame of Reference           Forum Index -> University Hall View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:35 pm    Post subject: The Logical Implications of an Absolute Frame of Reference What are the Logical Implications of an Absolute Frame of Reference? In Physical Review D, Volume 8, Number 6, 15 September 1973, there is a curious paper titled, Unaccelerated-Returning-Twin Paradox in Flat Space-Time. In that paper, the twin paradox is considered for the simplest spacetime universe, i.e., the cylinder SxR. In their opening abstract, the authors, Carl H. Brans and Dennis Ronald, state: Quote: A global analysis leads to the conclusion that the description of the topology of this universe has imposed a preferred state of rest so that the principle of special relativity, although locally valid, is not globally applicable. I do agree with most of their analysis. My conclusion about the outcome of the twin paradox for this universe is similar. ≈ Still, I find it strange that the startling implications of the global analysis of SxR haven’t been mentioned in a single university textbook on physics. There is no popular account of relativity that explains the result. I have brought up the elementary spacetime physics of SxR on the newsgroups sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity and have found that all the posters who responded, from informed Ph.Ds down to illiterate trolls, were in total denial of the physics and were absolutely incensed that the idea should even be debated. What follows is a more careful exposition and a more complete set of results, which surpasses that paper that was published 30 years ago. See What are the Logical Implications of an Absolute Frame of Reference? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:04 am    Post subject: I wish to thank Ali Soleimani for his superb comments and visible interest in the topological and geometric properties of spacetime manifolds that I see as indispensable for a correct understanding of relativistic cosmology. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:16 pm    Post subject: The implications of an absolute time order Absolute Space and Time in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity Quote: The Special Theory of Relativity, we teach our students, did away with Absolute Space and Absolute Time, leaving us with no absolute motion or rest, and also no absolute time order. General Relativity is viewed as extending the "relativity of motion" applicable to curved spacetimes, and General Relativity's most probable models of our actual spacetimes (the big-bang models) appear to re-introduce a privileged "cosmic" time order, and a definite sense of absolute rest. In particular, some of the same kinds of effects whose *absence* led to rejection of Newtonian absolute space are present in these models of GTR. —Colloquium for 13-NOV-97 Abstract, UCR. I'm delighted that common sense is finally being recognized in the physics community. When do you think it will be realized that an absolute time order precludes the possibility of anything falling into a black hole? Back to top   '); //--> Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First          Forum Index -> University Hall All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Heaven----------------Administration Midheaven----------------The Everlasting GospelHigh Ranking RevelationMidrange ControversyNovice ClassFlight School Trainees High Mountains----------------The Summit of ExcellenceMount CarmelMars Hill The Plain of Megiddo----------------Location Spot for the Battle of ArmageddonThe Dragon, Beast and False Prophet Convention CenterSubtle Misunderstanding Green Valleys----------------Picnic Area The World----------------University HallTown HallBillboardLibraryNewsroomFamily RoomCourtroomJail Hell----------------The Bottomless Pit  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group