Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:03 pm Post subject: Who Am I?
I was asked in the Picnic Area to say a little bit about myself and to state my motive for creating this forum. Also, just yesterday, I received an email asking the same thing. The email also wanted me to state my credentials.
Truth doesn’t speak for itself any more. One must list their credentials. Actually, that’s a really good idea. I wish to teach new light on the book of Revelation, then Daniel and it would be a good idea for me to state my qualifications.
There are two different kinds of credentials that I might refer too. There is recognition granted by worldly institutions, rank in society derived from popularity, fame and the power of wealth. There is also a recognition that is granted by the church. Do all the priests and elders approve of you? Because heavenly credentials outweigh the recognition granted by the world, I will give considerable weight to the credentials given me by God.
Who Am I?
I am my theology. I am the sum total of my experiences, aspirations, emotions, capacities, faith etc. (That covers a lot of ground). I’ll try to cover my most interesting experiences, like when I was once admonished by an angel in a dream.
(I do make missteps and have been a disappointment to my Savior in the past but my credentials really are unbelievable). By faith and prophetic understanding, I suppose that I have been appointed to bring about the fulfillment of William Miller’s dream (See, Early Writings of Ellen G. White p. 81-83). In the dream William Miller is vindicated. —It didn’t happen to William Miller. The second half of the dream foretells an experience fulfilled largely by me.
It’s amazing how God can easily lead people to a profound understanding of Scripture. At the beginning of his investigation of the Bible, William Miller was a deist. At the end of two years, William Miller had a startling message for the world (The Great Controversy [1888 edition] p. 329). There is only one way to explain this. Ellen White makes these comments: “God sent His angel to move upon the heart of a farmer who had not believed the Bible, to lead him to search the prophecies. Angels of God repeatedly visited that chosen one.” — “Angels of Heaven were guiding his mind, and opening to his understanding prophecies which had ever been dark to God’s people.”
There was also a natural process at work in the way Miller received his understanding. “With intense interest he studied the books of Daniel and the Revelation.” Compare that natural process to when the natural process is supernaturally directed and speeded up, as in this one instance for the Apostle Paul:
“In that hour of heavenly illumination, the mind of Saul acted with remarkable rapidity. The prophetic records of Holy Writ were opened to his understanding. He saw that the rejection of Jesus by the Jews, his crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, had been foretold by the prophets, and proved him to be the promised Messiah. The sermon of Stephen was brought forcibly to his mind. Now Saul knew that the martyr had indeed beheld ‘the glory of God,’ when he had ‘looked up steadfastly into heaven,’ and had said, ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.’ Those words that the priests had pronounced blasphemy, now appeared to Saul as truth.” —Advent Review and Sabbath Herald 03-16-11.
I believe that I had a revelatory experience somewhat comparable to the Apostle Paul and William Miller. God gave me an overpowering crash-course with a continuous flood of awesome insight and understanding of Daniel and Revelation in a span of 3 short weeks.
I was a typically dumb Seventh-day Adventist at the time. It was at the end of my first year as a mathematics student at the University of California, San Diego (1982). It was a Friday; I just finished my last class and finals week was coming up. I don’t recall the exact state of my mind that day but there was something that made me go to bed at 7PM. (Possibly it was discouragement). I woke up at 1AM with an insatiable desire to read Daniel 11. I had it in my mind that I was going to take the text exactly for what it says.
I couldn’t stop for three whole weeks. Every waking moment I was studying Daniel and then Revelation—even when I was eating. It was impossible for me to put the Bible down and study for final exams. (I did take the final examinations. They were not a problem. I got all A’s that quarter). At the end of those 3 incredible weeks I had “all of Daniel and Revelation figured out.”
Permit me to insert some relevant biographical material here. I started sharing my understanding with others. Those closest to me at the time accepted my interpretations almost immediately.
There was one Pastor C who studied my view and told me “Wow, it answers everything. I’m going to write a letter of endorsement to the Conference president and tell him that the church ought to look into this.” And he really meant it.
My brother Bob knew Pastor C really well. My brother was always making a remark about Pastor C—how cagey he was. I did get an endorsement from the pastor but not the kind I was expecting. I asked the pastor how his letter of recommendation was coming along. He said he was studying and coming up with objections to my view. We were neighborly. The pastor asked me to give him a ride to a pizza parlor where his son was working, to pick him up. As we started to drive back I asked Pastor C what his objections were (to my new light). Pastor C starting “speaking in tongues.” Not the usual gibberish you hear on TV. Every word was English but it would be impossible, I think, to put any two of his consecutive words side by side in an ordinary sentence! He was uttering meaningless strings of random words. I turned to him as if in a normal response and said, “You don’t have any objections, do you?” He said “no.” That was in Southern Calif. I don’t remember the date.
In 1988 I moved to Texas to go to graduate school at the University of Texas at Dallas. On the evening of December 15, 1988 I was working on a letter to Dr. Bill Shea. I had engaged him in an exchange previously over my book on prophecy and I had enough. I was trying to answer his response to my page 43-44. I was looking for words that say tactfully and in a profoundly Christ-like way that his thinking was stupid and chaotic and definitely inferior to the logic of children. After wasting much time trying to figure out how I could engineer such a useful piece of literary wit, I went to bed. It was late and I was very tired. I slept well all through the night and into the morning. I had this dream around 6AM:
I was on the road and in the backseat of a beautiful red convertible. I was unable to see the driver. My attention was mostly preoccupied with how dazzling white the seat I was sitting on was. I also knew that there was a white horse with me in the backseat. I was on the left side. He was sitting on the right. We soon pulled off the road into a gas station as if we needed to ask directions to make sure we were going in the right direction. Pastor C, who enjoys discussion and was riding up front, got out to talk with the attendant of the station. I was waiting a long time. My attention then shifted to an adjacent lot where the horse was now standing in tall grass. I particularly noticed how the grass hid the horse’s 4 legs so that they couldn’t be seen. The next thing I knew, the horse was in a corral and I was petting him and telling him what a beautiful horse he was. I had never seen such a beautiful animal. I was truly dumbstruck by the beauty of this beast. I couldn’t understand the attraction; I don’t even have an ordinary interest in horses or pets. Then I heard Pastor C insult the attendant for saying something stupid. The horse was then right in front of me and was quickly transforming into an angel. I wanted to know what an angel looks like so I was watching intently. The angel was angry. He quickly concealed his face before I could discern what an angelic face looks like. He then began to speak. As he spoke the appearance of the angel began to morph in a new way. It felt as if God was appearing to me from right behind the angel or was speaking directly through him: “The purpose of an argument is....” I reacted with a woe in my mind that is indescribable. The bolt of the theophany subsided; I was listening to the instruction that I was receiving. “The purpose of an argument is....” but each word that followed was so rich in meaning that I had to go word by word in a lengthy pause to soak up the deep and awesome meaning that each of these words had. I could understand each word separately but not in the sentence. I tried to understand what the angel was saying but I couldn’t think fast enough to follow along. I gave up on trying to understand all but the first sentence. In my struggle to understand what all the words meant collectively in just the first sentence I woke up trying to remember all the words.
In the beginning of the dream, the white horse represents the gospel. Not only is the gospel not moving, you can’t even see it’s 4 legs. The gospel is in a corral. Pastor C could have received a quick answer from the attendant and we could have been on our way but he chose to enter into a fruitless discussion, which just creates friction. I am not in charge of reaching an important destination. The gospel is in the backseat with me.
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:43 pm Post subject: Your Called to Preach?
About 98 or 99% of the globes population does not have a computer to surf the internet. What are you doing to reach these people with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ?
I thought I made it clear that the gospel is immobilized and that I’m not in any assigned position, such as influence or management, as others are, to take it to its destination. If you’re concerned about the gospel not reaching its destination, you need to inquire of those who are culpable. I’m in the backseat.
Eugene, what is the calling of the Lord Jesus Christ for you life, if you know? Every man has a calling and a purpose. We’re either in search of our calling or we’ve found it and we’re fulfilling it with zest and vigor.
2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Rom 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:26 pm Post subject: I already answered that
I already answered that.
Eugene Shubert wrote:
By faith and prophetic understanding, I believe that I have been appointed to bring about the fulfillment of William Miller’s dream (See, Early Writings of Ellen G. White p. 81-83). In the dream William Miller is vindicated. —It didn’t happen to William Miller. The second half of the dream foretells an experience fulfilled largely by me.
That is quite a unique dream. Mrs. Gray is trying to see how a horse might have fit in the backseat. Perhaps the reason the horse was in the back seat was that it is too large to be relegated to such a position and needs to have room to run freely.
By the way, it is nice that you are fulfilling William Miller's dream. Mrs. Gray wishes that you could recall the words spoken to you in the second half of the dream. However, perhaps your words on this forum and other places are the same words being spoken to you in the dream, and that as you naturally go about your speaking and writing, you are relaying these vital truths to a whole new group of people as you have a very unique grasp on such issues.
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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:34 pm Post subject: dream
:) A recurrent theme of the dream is in regard to communication, or the lack of it. Pastor C speaks but is incomprehensible. Eugene doesn't get past the phrase "the purpose of an arguement is..." And Pasor C is arguing inainly at the gas station. And it all seems to be about the word of the Lord in The Gospel. I think the dream partly concerns the importance of explaining what Eugene Schubert needs to say to the world. I also think that his web site and the Adventist forums are EXTREMELY important. I'm not worried that he may not be able to reach those who do not have a computer. On the contrary the world wide web is most likely going to play a very important role in helping millions "in the valley of decision". I believe the whole of Eugene's dream deals with his realizing his destiny in regard to his web site here. _________________ Restin Wells
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