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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:09 pm    Post subject: Friendly Protestant Catholic Exchange Reply with quote

Does anyone here know of a Catholic forum that welcomes, listens to, and answers Protestant challenges to their beliefs?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are respectful in tone and willing to hear the Catholic side, this one. We have had many very fruitful conversations with Non-Catholic Christians here.
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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The very fact that I believe that my Protestant view is correct and that the Catholic view is wrong and that I can be persuasive, disqualifies me from posting.

The Site Administrator wrote:
IT IS NEVER APPROPRIATE IN THIS FORUM to attempt to convert anyone to any belief contrary to Catholic teaching. Thus when non-Catholics or former Catholics or otherwise are visiting this forum, it is never appropriate for anyone, Catholic or otherwise, to impede the purpose of this forum which is to lead such visitors to the Catholic faith.

A faith that disallows respectful challenges doesn’t seem Godly to me. I consider it a moral obligation to alert all professing Christians to essential Bible truths that otherwise they would have never considered, because they’re walking in a false path. I would like to be pointed to a Catholic forum that welcomes informed Biblical and historical challenges to Catholic beliefs.

Unless an exception to the stated rules can be made for this thread, I would feel reluctant and unwelcome to continue posting.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Eugene,

From looking at the website listed in your profile, it sure seems like you don't mind breaking other forum rules or basic copyright law.
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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:46 am    Post subject: A sincere profession of faith Reply with quote

Hi stretch,

And it seems to me that just being a sincere Protestant who refuses to pretend that friendly Protestant Catholic exchange is welcome on this forum is a violation all by itself.

Forum rules that prohibit me from displaying a record of my crimes against the mainstream should be amended. The website listed in my profile is permissible by the fair use doctrine:

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The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Eugene

you might want to try the C.F.F.C. forum

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artnalex  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eugene,
this site is created for people to learn about Catholicism, not debate it. There are many forums available to you if what you want is to debate.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: A sincere profession of faith Reply with quote

Eugene Shubert wrote:
The website listed in my profile is permissible by the fair use doctrine:

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The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.


Hi Eugene,

Huh? The link takes me to a single page that is a chunk from the forum. It is not incorporated as part of any scholarship/research activity. It isn't news reporting; it isn't multiple copies for classroom distribution. There is no comment or criticism. It is merely a chunk of somebody else's website put up as a stand alone entity.
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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: A sincere profession of faith Reply with quote

stretch wrote:
There is no comment or criticism.

stretch,

I have many other pages with comments and criticism that point to the crime referenced there. What do you expect me to do? Tamper with the evidence?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Eugene,

Posting the link in the absence of any evidence that it is part of something covered by the fair use law would be considered by many to be inappropriate ...

It would be more appropriate, given the nature of copyright laws, to post the scholarly site to which this is linked so that it is viewed in context.

(Btw, my name is Denise. )
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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

artnalex wrote:
Eugene,
this site is created for people to learn about Catholicism, not debate it. There are many forums available to you if what you want is to debate.

Hi artnalex,

Would you post a few links, please?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eugene

Can you honestly not see whats wrong with what your doing right now?

Fr. Z and many others have devoted time money and effort to create a forum where people can learn discuss and teach the Catholic faith.

And where other Christians can participate and share with us those things we hold in common.

Faith seeking understanding. What a great motto for a Catholic forum.

And now you want to come in and try to use the effort of those people that created the forum to lead people away from the faith of the forums creators.

Thou shalt not ect. Ect.

I can just see you knocking on my front door and asking to borrow my chainsaw to cut down my apple tree because you prefer peaches, than pouting and saying its unfair because I wont let you.

I guess its OK to steal this space created by others since what they think is wrong anyway.

Go in peace

Scott
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Eugene Shubert  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denise wrote:
It would be more appropriate, given the nature of copyright laws, to post the scholarly site to which this is linked so that it is viewed in context.

Correct. But as the posted link makes clear, I’m already a criminal for posting a link to a website containing nothing but raw Biblical data. That website was labeled non-Catholic and a breach of forum rules. How much more offensive and criminal would it be for me to direct you to the root directory?
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