A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Can Symmetry Guarantee Equivalence or Equality?           Forum Index -> University Hall View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message chandru_iyer sentient bipedal physicist Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 1 Location: New Delhi, India Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Can Symmetry Guarantee Equivalence or Equality? The equations of transformation of points of object to points of image are symmetric with the inverse operation in the case of the reflecting mirror. But the object and image, as we all know, are not equivalent. The contention of this paper is to emphasize that a mathematical symmetry or equivalence of a transformation with its inverse does not necessarily ensure the equivalence of the two entities involved. Obviously, the conclusion that the frames are equivalent because the transformation and its inverse are symmetric is not sound in logic as already explained by the simple case of the reflecting mirror. www.easyrelativity.com Last edited by chandru_iyer on Thu May 25, 2006 12:22 pm; edited 3 times in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Can Symmetry Guarantee Equivalence or Equality? Dear Chandru, You do ask an essential question: "Can Symmetry Guarantee Equivalence or Equality?" I believe that your mirror analogy on your web page states your criticism of special relativity more persuasively: Chandru Iyer wrote: The equations of transformation of points of object to points of image are symmetric with the inverse operation in the case of the reflecting mirror. But the object and image, as we all know, are not equivalent. The contention of this paper is to emphasize that a mathematical symmetry or equivalence of a transformation with its inverse does not necessarily ensure the equivalence of the two entities involved. I appreciate your insightful objection to the very lopsided appearance of SR. Did you know that there is a simple derivation of special relativity that does not invoke lopsided sounding physics principles or any requirement of group symmetry? See this derivation of the Lorentz transformation: http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf Back to top   '); //--> Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First          Forum Index -> University Hall All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Heaven----------------Administration Midheaven----------------The Everlasting GospelHigh Ranking RevelationMidrange ControversyNovice ClassFlight School Trainees High Mountains----------------The Summit of ExcellenceMount CarmelMars Hill The Plain of Megiddo----------------Location Spot for the Battle of ArmageddonThe Dragon, Beast and False Prophet Convention CenterSubtle Misunderstanding Green Valleys----------------Picnic Area The World----------------University HallTown HallBillboardLibraryNewsroomFamily RoomCourtroomJail Hell----------------The Bottomless Pit  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group