PROOF OF OUR FAITH

Gan · is under review Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3

Can enyone explain?
If we got right doktrin and church,and I think that we got it,how is it posebol that we exist only obout 200 years,what is about period of about 1800 jears ,did the right church desapited in that time in order to be created leider,the Chraist sayed that Hi will bild His church on the stone and that the devil will not destroy it,,

I become this questio from friend of my who is member of ortodox church and who claims that only ortodox church is the church which was created of Christ and that only they got power of the Holy Spirit,and that our churches who ceim leider are fels propets.

How can I answer on this?

Thanks -Gan

I am waiting for Your answers

P.S Sory becouse of my bad english

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:56 am Post subject:

Gan,

A 2,000 year history of Christ's true church is presented in the Seventh-day Adventist classic book (now available online), The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan.

Gan · is under review Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3

The book is to larg and is not easy to proof ,the fakts,is there eny shorter answer and facks we could use?
They are focusing that Jesus promesed -the church will never disapire and for so long time eniwey not.How to proof contra.

Eugene Shubert

Gan,

A proof is only valid for those who can distinguish between good and evil. Christ is with those on the side of good, not evil. Those who have discernment agree that forced conversions are not of God. Ask your orthodox friend when the Catholic Church ever condemned or opposed forced conversions.

Remind your friend of the edict of the Roman Emperor Theodosius in 380 AD, which forced everyone to accept a state mandated Christianity. Where's the record of the Catholic Church opposing that?

Here's the edict of Theodosius:

"It is Our rule that all the peoples we rule shall practice that religion which divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans. We shall believe in the single deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, under the concept of the Holy Trinity. We command that all persons that follow this rule shall embrace the name of Catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom We judge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative, which We shall assume in accordance with divine judgment."

The true church didn't disappear but was so savagely persecuted by the apostate church that only scanty evidence of the 2,000 years of true Christianity has survived to this day. Christ promised that the true church would be persecuted (2 Timothy 3:12, Revelation 13:7).

Gan · is under review Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3

There is no dobt that the catolic churc forsed peopel to become catolics but the friend of my is not catolik he is ortodox,or do you mean that this time of forsing peopel to becom catoliks tuk place before this two churches hawe divorsed.
He also ataks catolic church for persecutions on ortodox church after thej hawe diworced but he is traing to conwinc me that ortodox church newer tok part in inkwisition or so.
I need arguments against ortodox church ,I now that they hawe olmost the same doktrin as catoliks and so ,but his largest argument is that they have recived blesing of the apostols and that this blasing has been pasing from generations to generations inside of ortodox church and he says thet it will be unlogikal thet the church of Christ desapiers cos Christ promesed that it will not,
Allso he is comparing us with the folowers of Simon mag you know what I mean wen this simon magic man traed to by power of Holi spirit from Apostols a.s.o.Cos he is teling that onli those who reciwed this power of Holy Spirit kann be thu tru church.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: Liberty of Conscience

Gan,

The official split between Eastern Catholicism and Western Catholicism was in the year 1054. That's 1000 years of common history. The great apostasy started with the edict of the Roman Emperor Theodosius in 380 AD. That means that the Eastern Church was in apostasy for 674 years before it even began to separate from the West.

Understand that the East and West split over petty theological differences.

It's good that your friend recognizes the evil of the Western Church persecuting the Eastern Church. But what is his view regarding religious liberty for pagans and Christians who refused to adopt the Trinitarian formula of the established State Church in 380 AD?

robert two · Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: yeah

Now to prove the correct church is to see if the church is built on the ROCK. JESUS was a genuine JEW. The laws were from the begining. JESUS changed nothing. The GOSPEL was being put forward by NOAH,MOSES & ELIJAH. Repent and start a new life for the remission of sins. Nothing has changed.
The TABLES of STONE are only PROMISES to those that accept GOD at HIS WORD.
If we look at CHURCH does it comply with being a FAMILY of GOD or is it man made and run.>??