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Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 136 Location: JAMAICA, WEST INDIES
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:16 am Post subject:
Eduardo,
I see where this is headed again (where tempers start to flare, and heated words are exchanged, and the man is attacked along with his theology; AND WE BOTH SEEM TO BE GUILTY OF THAT WEAKNESS). So I will abbreviate the matter (SAVING US THE TROUBLE OF MORE HEATED BOUTS) and say, you have said your piece, and I mine (even if you feel there is so much more to say). And as parting words I will quote what I said earlier:
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"...your exegesis of eschatology will NEVER appeal to me, no matter how you fix it, or "tweak" it [OR PROCLAIM IT AS EVIDENT IN SCRIPTURE]. But I respect your right to...disagree with my opposite view ....I do see however that we will/might NEVER convice each other, and especially because we both see each other promoting heresy . However that is the beauty of democracy, and the allowed freedom of thought even in God's goverment/spiritual kingdom. God bless."
P.S. And you don't have to yield to the temptation again of lashing out at me as I depart, with put down expressions simply because I have yielded, and or decided to walk away. Bye Eduardo. _________________ Derrick Gillespie (First labelled "SDA", THEN, "Pseudo-SDA", and then "Impolite". What label next?)
Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 136 Location: JAMAICA, WEST INDIES
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: Re: The Karaite evidence
Eduardo Martínez Rancaño wrote:
[IN PART]...[1] his [Mr Gillespie's] refusal to discuss the funny issue of the Karaite calendar...does show how conscious he is of the frailty of the whole 1844 edifice. Not only is 1844 the wrong year, and 22 October the wrong date, but Miller and our pioneers were pervasively mistaken about the event predicted in Dan.8:14. That is perhaps forgivable for a novice Bible student, but it is inexcusable for anyone who knows their Bible with some cogency.
...[2] Believe it or not, I continue to be a regular church member and have no intention of leaving, since I cannot think of a valid reason to do so... the sooner you address the real issues by throwing absurd mistakes overboard, the better it will be for all of us...
1. All I can say Eduardo about you thinking that I am "conscious' of the "fraility of the whole 1844 edifice" is, DREAM ON! If that mistaken notion on your part, about my doctrinal consciousness (or even my sub-consciousness) does it for you, then I will do nothing to rescue you from living out your sense of grandeur (delusion maybe). I AM NOW CONVINCED MORE THAN EVER THAT THE SDA PIONEERS (i.e. THE "SECOND ADVENT MOVEMENT" PIONEERS) WERE RIGHT ABOUT 1844 BEING THE BEGINNING OF THE "HOUR" OF JUDGMENT, AND NOT THE PROPHECIED RETURN OF CHRIST!! See the following link
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=790&start;=14
Fight it all you want, but you, sir, CANNOT stop the proclamation of this truth. You can only try to stall some of us with your proud 'intellectualism', but you are indeed fighting a losing battle!!
2. Regarding you finding no reason to leave the SDA Church strikes me as foolhardy!! "Two cannot walk unless they be agreed"!! The Sanctuary message and "1844' is the SDA Church's doctrinal bulwark (leading defense) and distinctive SDA mark, ALONG WITH OUR BELIEF IN THE TESTIMONY OF MRS. WHITE AS A SIGN OF THE REMNANT CHURCH ("Spirit of Prophecy"). Rev. 12:17. Foolhardy are you to think that your presence and dissenting voice among us on these two isues will ever be able to have us retreat on those two foundation positions. It is like asking Christians to abandon what distinguishes them from ALL other religions- a belief in Jesus being the Divine Prophet, Priest, and King, as the Son of God. Again I say, DREAM ON!!
Now if Judaism (along with ALL other religions) rejecting the truth about Jesus the Christ is seen as grounds for doubting this unique message among ALL other religions, then where would we stand? If even the Jews and Muslims who believe in the Old Testament Scriptures cannot see the truth in those very same Scriptures about Jesus' true nature, then what is to prevent me not recognizing the same scenario playing itself out among Christendom as it concerns our unique "1844" Message? Should we stop proclaiming it because you are bothered by it, and give long teatises bewailing the fact that you see it as a lie? And is your appeal to your interpretation of Scripture, and your appeal to the fact that it is rejected by the majority of Christendom grounds for us retreating? Again I say, DREAM ON!! We will no more abandon the Sabbath, or the laws of health about clean and unclean meats (examples of doctrines rejected by the majority in Christendom who quote Scriptures profusely in opposition to our stance) than we will abandon "1844". But keep on fighting a losing battle brother. The very same E.G. White testimony you despise spoke LONG AGO about your kind, and I will probably live to see you become another statistic in the numbers of dissenters whose voices eventually fade away in the darkness, but this Advent movement will remain SOLID AS A ROCK!! Your view of it (even with your interpretation of Scripture) is not the final authority! God bless. _________________ Derrick Gillespie (First labelled "SDA", THEN, "Pseudo-SDA", and then "Impolite". What label next?)
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 60 Location: Madrid, Spain
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:33 am Post subject:
Derrick,
What an astonishing show of insincerity and/or fanaticism on your part! You don't have even one word to say about my systematic and thoroughly successful refutation of all of Ferrell's contentions. Now that, apparently, I've debunked each of your claims (I can see now most of them were taken from Ferrell's pitiful book), there is one, and only one aspect in which your theories have been repeatedly and overwhelmingly shown to be rock-solid: Anyone can see they have sunk like a rock to the very bottom of the deepest abyss, where they have always deserved to be. That supposed bulwark of yours has been breached on all fronts, and not even the rubble remains now.
Indeed, nothing more needs to be said on my part. I'll return only to answer intelligent posts from now on. God bless.
Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 136 Location: JAMAICA, WEST INDIES
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:24 am Post subject:
Eduardo,
You are so hung up on perceived and comparative "intelligence". I wonder. Can't help attacking the man along with his theology (directly or indirectly), can you? That does it for you, doesn't it; COMPARING "INTELLIGENCE" I MEAN? I know what that indicates about a man's sense of security when he has to constantly put others down (not just their arguments) to feel good about himself.
Enjoy your self created sense of grandeur, while it lasts. What is really "pitiful" about your perception of "successful" or effective "debunking" of ALL opposing points I am indeed tempted to say more about, but I will hold my peace...ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID OVER SEVERAL WEEKS, BUT OF COURSE WHO AM I TO THINK YOU CAN SEE BEYOND YOUR OWN PROUD NOSE? If you wish to even "debunk" or prove the Bible principle wrong that "two can't walk unless they be agreed" (as you have similarly tried to prove even Jesus Himsef wrong about Matt. 24:15) then continue your 'love- hate' relationship with Adventism. I am most amused, but can't help also pitying your state of delusion as well. Adios. _________________ Derrick Gillespie (First labelled "SDA", THEN, "Pseudo-SDA", and then "Impolite". What label next?)
I'm someone fully authorized to move tacky posts to the bottomless pit. Thanks for the recommendation. Who are you and do you have any persuasive answers to any of the respectable challenges presented in the original thread?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:43 am Post subject: In the bottomless pit along with the rest of you
Dear Eugene: No, I don't have answers. However, I was very stimulated by the depthful and provocative issues explored in the posts. I have printed some of them off so that I can study more. I became distracted with the mounting hostility. My comment was related to the process, not the content. LK
I have read this thread too, and it was so sad that emotions got in the way. I don't think, however, that Gillespie was unable to answer challenges. He did so quite well in his posts. What he seemed unable to do was fight against animosity and controversy. Is it fair though to have renamed the original thread, and continue to make bro.Gillespie out to be the villan, in order to beat him down, especially in his absence when he can't answer for himself? Just asking. _________________ THE WORD IS MY SWORD AND SHIELD
Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:28 am Post subject: concealing failure
Michael,
Derrick Gillespie has proven himself to be a villain. Hopefully, one day, he will see his blind obstinacy and repent. You, however, have spoken truthfully about one thing. He can't answer for himself. But he is here.
Are you happy with your new screen name or shall I change it to Derrick Gillespie?
The accusations leveled against you are fair. I believe that you've turned your obvious inability to supply professedly accurate information, properly and courteously requested by Eduardo, into a "pissing contest."
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