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I am aware that Kathy sent a letter to Tim but I have not read it or asked her about it, so I don't know if the "shift" that you are referring to is something that has softened your heart or has made you obstinate to the Father's unctions.
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I am wondering if you believe that your messiah is necessary to see in person for salvation, or if rather you believe that the Christ spirit is everywhere as spirit, and enough by itself.
Let me ask you, if someone told you that they loved you, would you have to meet them in order to experience that love? Or, can you believe that they are telling the truth, and by believing the truth, experience the results of that love?
As far as Christ being everywhere, that's not necessarily true. Yes, God is omnipresent; but, the Son gave up that attribute (along with omniscience & omnipotence) in order to redeem humanity. Part of the cost to God for man's reconciliation is that the Son gave up His identity so that fallen man can have it. And forever, the Son will be in you, me, and everyone else that has received the truth of the gospel (that includes the consummation); for only the Son goes to heaven. This is the only way man could be saved since he lost his identity, through disobedience, in the garden of Eden.
The revelation of Jesus Christ is not about predicting the future and merchandising your ideas. Any unconverted person can do that. It is His revealing Himself in YOU. It's not about going somewhere and/or doing something, it's about being vulnerable to the Father and letting Him open your eyes. The consummation that the Father brought to pass is the catalyst that makes the fulness of this revelation possible. But only one whose eyes have been healed with the heavenly eyesalve can see that this is the fulfillment of the prophecies surrounding the marriage of the Lamb. To everyone else it is a stumblingblock of adultery. Especially to those who have committed adultery and other sexually related sins (something this generation is laden with). The cross was a stumblingblock to the Jews in Jesus' day because they couldn't see the significance of letting the heathen kill Messiah. I saw these things from day 1 and have been driven to be a part of it regardless of the cost to my self-interests.
Any unconverted person can profess that a person that lived 2000 years ago was the Son of God and believe that they will be "saved" because of their profession. Any unconverted person can believe the Bible is true after all if they see a man in the sky. Even Hollywood can jump on that bandwagon. Any unconverted person today can come up with some theological discourse on the necessity of the cross. But the people who saw Jesus die didn't understand it until the Spirit opened their eyes on the day of Pentecost. The same is true today. In summary, I believe the Scriptures are fulfilled and the kingdom of our God is here now, for the accuser of our brethren has been cast out into the earth and his angels with him.
If you wish to discuss this further, I suggest you e-mail me through the address I submitted to this forum. For my feet no longer touch the earth. _________________ Isaiah 26:20-21
How can you compare Wayne and Jesus? One was brutally murdered and the other slept with two women. If you really wanted to convince people that Wayne was Christ on Earth you needed to try something new. Most or all of the other cults also had a sinful Messiah that slept with the women.
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For my feet no longer touch the earth.
Neither did the feet of any of the followers of false Messiahs. They all lived with their head in the clouds. _________________ Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
I have not associated with this forum for several weeks so I have not read anything else you have written. I have only posted my response to Moigboi because someone else told me about it and I was impressed to respond to him.
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How can you compare Wayne and Jesus?
The comparison is simple if one has eyes to see and understands the types of the sanctuary system. But since my "head is in the clouds", I will not waste your time trying to share these things with you.
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If you really wanted to convince people that Wayne was Christ on Earth you needed to try something new. Most or all of the other cults also had a sinful Messiah that slept with the women.
Contrary to popular belief, I never had the intention of convincing anyone of anything. I simply started this thread to share with this community the wonderful truth that the Scriptures are fulfilled, Christians don't sin, and that Christ has appeared. If one doesn't want to believe that, that's OK with me. It is others that have manifested spirits of hostility. I have only responded to them to expose the spirit they are married to. Now the time is come when I must say:
Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 22:13. _________________ Isaiah 26:20-21
Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 22:13.
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I may have came off a little offensive, but it is not your place to say that to me. Also, why pick and choose verses? Take some of these....
Matthew 5:31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:25Behold, I have told you before. Matthew 24:26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. Matthew 24:27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. _________________ Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Luke 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn Near.' Therefore do not go after them.
Luke 21:27 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
21:28 "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
Matthew 7:15-23 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Proverbs 20:11 says, "Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.''
Examining the conversation of these false prophets can quickly reveal the God they serve. Do they speak of God's kingdom, His righteousness, and His love; or does their conversation center on the things of this world and life? Are they peacemakers, sowing mercy and love? Are they gentle and patient, or do they lose their temper easily? Do they walk in faith, or are they continually looking to other men for their needs to be supplied? Are they always pressuring people for money, or do they simply receive those gifts of money as unto the Lord? Do they have the joy of the Lord, or do they minister out of duty? Are they truly joyous with that joy spilling over to others, or do they continually complain and gripe over all the things that are not pleasing to them? Is goodness evident in their lives instead of evil? Do they put people in bondage by always threatening them with the wrath of God, or is freedom of choice extended with the warning of the penalties of sin? Jesus came to set us free, not to bring us under the bondage of men.
Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject: to Fortitude
Dear Fortitude,
It has been a long time since I was here. I just now read your reply.
In essence, all I can say is that I know from experiece that you are somewhat mistaken. The Holy Spirit is very much alive, it fell upon me personally over thirty years ago, and Wayne Bent was not involved. You suggested in your post that one needs to know Wayne aka Michael personally to receive the Holy Spirit. I know for a fact that Jesus' Holy Spirit can be poured out upon anyone, anywhere who truly desires it. I believe that God gives this gift to anyone who truly desires it above all.
I do not know what spirit you are of, although it appears from your words you are of the spirit of Christ. I do not condemn you, as that is not my place, as it is not yours to condemn others. But I do know that you are wrong in one thing: The Holy Spirit of truth is SPIRIT, and anyone, anywhere can receive it whether they have heard of Wayne Bent or not. To say otherwise is a mistake, as I hope many who read this can testify from their own experience. You may condemn me, and brand me a lost hypocrite. It doesn't matter. the truth remains.
May that same spirit of truth lead us always. Sincerely, ltz
Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:46 pm Post subject: PS to fortitude
PS....you mentioned that the Holy Spirit fell upon the disciples after Jesus death. Well there you have it. They were filled with that spirit, and Jesus was not standing there. Paul also experienced this, and did Paul know Jesus in the flesh? No. The spirit set them all free, though. And it has happened to many throughout the last 2000 years.
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Michael Travesser
I just want to post a website that contains some information that wouldn't normally be public until wayne saw fit... if he would ever see fit. But we will never know now since I made sure the public gets to read it.
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