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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:30 pm Post subject: Soliciting Gossip?
I was banned from CLUB-ADVENTIST for trying to send the following
post:
Any comments on Eugene Shubert, Ted McMillan, Ron Beaulieu,
Professor Erwin Roy Gane, Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick, or Jerry
Gladson??
Eugene Shubert's websites:
www.everythingimportant.org
www.everythingimportant.org/index.php
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Ted McMillan's websites:
www.seventh-dayadventism.com
www.seventh-dayadventism.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi www.temcat.com/index.htm www.temcat.com/saving_souls.htm
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Ron Beaulieu's websites:
members.tripod.com/omega77
members.tripod.com/omega77/AAAEXP.htm
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Ron Beaulieu's opinion of Professor Erwin Roy Gane's opinion on the Trinity:
groups.yahoo.com/group/Adventist-fm
15357 Gane on the Trinity Ron Beaulieu omega777ron Sun 11/10/2002
groups.yahoo.com/group/Adventist-fm/message/15357
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Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick's websites:
www.greatcontroversy.org
two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/GCOList
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Jerry Gladson:
www.atoday.com/magazine/archive/1995/novdec1995/articl
es/AdventistinExile.shtml
www.gadisciples.org/vocation/Stories/Story_JG.htm
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From: susan
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 5:33 pm
Subject: Eugene Shubert
To: gcolist@g..., BlackSDA@yahoogroups.com,
adventist@yahoogroups.com, Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com, susan172992@y..., spei@yahoogroups.com
Does anyone have an opinion on Eugene Shubert?
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From: "Ron Beaulieu"
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Eugene Shubert
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Dear Susan,
God has designed things so that no one person as EVERYTHING that is important. That is Eugene's FIRST BIG MISTAKE, but it is not his only and last mistake.
Ron Beaulieu
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From: "Ron Beaulieu"
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Eugene Shubert
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Susan,
There is another after the sort of Eugene, by the name of Ted McMillan, who identifies his WebSite as the Last Word. Beware of all such who believe that Elijah does not have 7000 others.
Ron Beaulieu
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In BlackSDA@y..., susan wrote:
Does anyone have an opinion on Eugene Shubert?
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:35:35 -0000
From: "Kevin Josey"
To: "susan"
Subject: Re: Eugene Shubert
I don't know how many others in this forum even know who he is; most in BlackSDA are not members of other SDA lists... however, as one who has been around for 8 years or so, on numerous different SDA lists, IMO he's a fruit loop...He's a nut from the lunatic fringe of Adventism... not quite Ron Beaulieu level nutty but getting there (Ron believes himself to wear the mantle of Ellen White; he thinks he is Elisha to her Elijah and thus that the church, especially the GC should defer to his 'prophetic judgement and vision')... Eugene has managed to make himself persona non grata in virtually all longstanding SDA discussion lists and forums on the internet which is why he started his own; it was the only way he could ensure his not being removed. But again, this is my opinion; others' mileage may vary.
In his service, Kevin Josey
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[Gcolist] Eugene Shubert
susan -- gcolist@greatcontroversy.org
Sun Nov 10 13:31:35 2002
Does anyone have an opinion on Eugene Shubert?
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From: "Eugene Shubert"
To: "The Saints Scattered Abroad"
Subject: GOSPEL
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:59:32 -0600
Dear Friend,
I sent you a great link on The Three Angels’ Messages. I wonder if you recognize it to be new light. Here’s another new insight on the gospel:
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=302
Please let me know what your thoughts are about it.
Eugene Shubert -- www.everythingimportant.org
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[Gcolist] Eugene Shubert
GMF -- gcolist@greatcontroversy.org
Sun Nov 10 13:53:21 2002
I wonder whether he has harvested our e-mail addresses from the gcolist. Maybe LK can inform us as to whether this is possible for a nonmember?? I have probably at least twice rec'd e-mail from him.
He's harvested addresses from somewhere, or possibly a former list member has given them to him. I do not sale or give out the email
addresses for the list. For awhile people could possibly pick up email addresses through the archives, but that has been changed so that only list members can view archives. I have received frequent spam from him so I have my programs automatically bounce them back to him. Someone who repeatedly sends spam, it doesn't bother me one iota to permanently block their address and bounce it back. I'm not sure what he teaches, but I have no interest in finding out based on his spamming practice.
< http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi >
"The Other "Adventist" Forums:
Post here what you know or any experience you may have or have had on the other forums. Your experiences could have brought you here!"
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Hi Susan,
<SNIP>
As to your questions:
Eugene Shubert and Ron Beaulieu claim to have had or are receiving
"special" messages or "new light". --they don't agree with each other.
Ron Beaulieu has spent great amounts of time over at Adventist Issues Forum denying the full eternal Godhood of Christ and saying the Holy Spirit has no personality of it's own. I'm afraid that people who devote that kind of time to the denial of Christ as truly God are listening to the wrong spirit. According to Ron the Seventh day Adventist Church is worse than Babylon and people have to come out of the church.
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As to Eugene, there is considerable of his postings in the "Straight Testimony Thread" on this forum. From what I've gathered he was thrown out of his home SDA church for agitating arguments against the "gospel" of Graham Maxwell. As far as I'm concerned Graham Maxwell's gospel is not the right gospel. So Eugene has my sympathy there. However, I do not agree with several of his "new" interpretations on prophecy.
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Jerry Gladstone-- Former pastor (Southern Union) and former religion teacher (Southern College), is an "apostate" SDA who is now pastor of a "non-SDA church" --First Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Southern California and adjunct professor of religion at Chapman University. He claims he was "persecuted" by the SDA church because he believes in the gospel. Which is the blanket under which many of his type hide, while they attack our pillar doctrines-- as if Christ and His redemptive work were not the very center of our doctrines. Gladstone freely confesses that he did not believe the "core doctrines" yet for some reason was "shocked" when the church wasn't eager to continue giving him ministerial credientials.
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Roy Gane is an associate professor Of Hebrew and ancient Biblical languages at the SDA seminar of Andrews University. He has written numerous articles and books:
< http://www.andrews.edu/~gane/pub_papers.html >
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Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick is an ordained minister of the gospel. He received his BA in Religion from Southern Adventist University in 1994 and a Master of Divinity from Andrews University in 1999 with a specialization in Adventist Studies. While in Michigan he was employed by the General Conference at the White Estate's Berrien Springs branch office. Far surpassing in importance his scholastic preparation has been his immersion in the biblical and Spirit of Prophecy materials. He has some good material on the internet!
< http://collisionwithprophecy.org/journey/cwp15.html >
as well as on < http://www.greatcontroversy.org >
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Ted McMillian is the owner of the forum
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As for me -- I am just a bible student wanting truth as it is written in scripture. my website is:
< http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/Home.html >
#1. VERY, VERY sorry for double-posting!! -- I had 2 copies in my word-processor, & I accidently copied both -- I'll be more careful next time!!
#2. As you can see, I just cut the 2nd copy.
#3. Thank-you VERY much for your reply!!
#4. I want to invite you to join an email group that's moderated by a friend of mine at:
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spei >.
It specializes in relevant news items -- If you're worried about too many emails, NO problem -- Just join with the "no email" option, & read & send messages at the website!!
Last edited by susan172992 on Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:23 pm; edited 1 time in total
From SDA Net Sun Nov 17 09:41:16 2002
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:41:16 -0500
From: "SDA Net" <sdanet@lydia.sdanet.org>
To: "susan" <susan172992@yahoo.com>
CC: sdamod@lydia.sdanet.org
Subject: Re: Does anybody have any comments
Susan,
Eugene SHubert and Ron Beaulieu have been banned from SDAnet. This extends
to mention of their theories and websites. I am not sure about Ted McMillan.
You may wish to revise and resubmit this post accordingly.
Hi, Just my opinion, but, if someone strikes us on the one cheek, should we not then give them the other to strike? Does true Christian character demand an apology. Should we not rejoice if persecuted for Christ's sake? I myself have been insulted and such and have never received any kind of apologies. I just have to forgive and let go. I'm not justifying dirt digging to hurt somebody, but how do we react? I could succumb to it and get angry or submit myself to GOD. Did Christ react negatively. Move a person if need be, but don't demand an apology. This person maybe has been hurt and/or feels betrayed, let us minister to those wounds. GOD BLESS.......richard speed
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:37 am Post subject: Who is demanding an apology?
Richard,
When strangers come to your home and you invite them in and they insult you and prove themselves obnoxious and unregenerate, I assume you say nothing. I assume you only reprove those in the right. I say, rebuke sin firmly, and give it no sanction. The refuge of lies for the covering up of sin must be torn away in order that poor deluded souls may not sleep on to their everlasting ruin.
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