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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:15 pm Post subject: Gospel presentations for medieval Seventh-day Adventists
Ellen White once dreamed of how medieval the members of her own church were, when she lived in Battle Creek (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, page 578).
They worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. Revelation 13:4-8.
“The people were wholly deceived. They were taught that the popes and priests were Christ’s representatives, when in fact they were the representatives of Satan, and those who bowed to them worshiped Satan. The people called for the Bible; but the priests considered it dangerous to let them have it to read for themselves, lest they should become enlightened and expose the sins of their leaders. The people were taught to receive every word from these deceivers as from the mouth of God. They held that power over the mind which God alone should hold. If any dared to follow their own convictions, the same hate which Satan and the Jews exercised toward Jesus would be kindled against them, and those in authority would thirst for their blood.” EW 214.
Here is Ellen White’s dream (which I can certainly relate to) that reveals the degree to which the Spirit of Prophecy identifies Ellen White’s church as medieval. Note how sheepish many of these people are.
Quote:
That night I dreamed that I was in Battle Creek looking out from the side glass at the door and saw a company marching up to the house, two and two. They looked stern and determined. I knew them well and turned to open the parlor door to receive them, but thought I would look again. The scene was changed. The company now presented the appearance of a Catholic procession. One bore in his hand a cross, another a reed. And as they approached, the one carrying a reed made a circle around the house, saying three times: “This house is proscribed. The goods must be confiscated. They have spoken against our holy order.” Terror seized me, and I ran through the house, out of the north door, and found myself in the midst of a company, some of whom I knew, but I dared not speak a word to them for fear of being betrayed. I tried to seek a retired spot where I might weep and pray without meeting eager, inquisitive eyes wherever I turned. I repeated frequently: “If I could only understand this! If they will tell me what I have said or what I have done!”
I wept and prayed much as I saw our goods confiscated. I tried to read sympathy or pity for me in the looks of those around me, and marked the countenances of several whom I thought would speak to me and comfort me if they did not fear that they would be observed by others. I made one attempt to escape from the crowd, but seeing that I was watched, I concealed my intentions. I commenced weeping aloud, and saying: “If they would only tell me what I have done or what I have said!” My husband, who was sleeping in a bed in the same room, heard me weeping aloud and awoke me. My pillow was wet with tears, and a sad depression of spirits was upon me. —Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, page 578.
There is simply too much sheepish approval of and empty-headed devotion to medieval thinking and practice. The spirit of antichrist is tolerated everywhere, even in the Adventist church:
Here is my point. (Or is it an insight)? I believe that Revelation 14:6-12 is the gospel for the end-time in a language especially tailored for those who have a medieval mindset. Compare the state of mind revealed in all the previous quotes with the stern warning presented in three angels’ messages:
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Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, with an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.” (Rev 14:6-7).
A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.” (Rev 14:8).
Then another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” (Rev 14:9-11).
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14:12).
I referred to the link, Texas Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and Richardson Church verses Eugene Shubert and asked this question: “How should the everlasting gospel be presented to medieval Seventh-day Adventists like this?” I suppose it’s up to me to answer my own question. If it was up to me alone I’d make the following points but I still want to hear what everyone else thinks.
To the church leaders who think and act like they’re the pope: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Flattery is praise and praise is worship. My advice to you is that you not worship antichrist by imitating him. Consider the third angel’s message.
To church members that are too sheepish to openly, visibly and courageously stand for truth: If you’re too cowardly to take a stand against the pastor and his board, what makes you think you can stand against the beast and his image?
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:09 pm Post subject: The dream reflects the historical reality
Interesting dream in that it mirrors the reality that Jewish folks endured at the hands of the Romish church. Bible believing folks suffered much the same fate during that time as well. The priest interceeds on their behalf (usurping the office of the HS) the priest forgives their sins (userping the office of the Almighty) the priest has the authority to judge (usurping the office of the Messiah).
2Th 2:10 - 12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. _________________ Timeline of Judaic and Christian events
Stuff your religious leaders never told you
http://n2messiah.topcities.com/index.htm
Eugene I just read a little of the confrontation you had with the Jesuits at Richardson Church in Texas ....I was in shock but not disbelief as I know of a very similar experience received in the Vancouver Church in British Columbia under a Pastor called Bob Tetz....I also know of an Evangelist who was kicked out of the NSW Conference in Australia for committing a sin that he confesed to (other pastors in the same conference that have committed this sin were pardoned within months and back at work. He to this day (I believe aprox. 20 years) has not been given permission to come back and do the Lords work in Australia.
He has nevertheless gone out and evangelized and brought over 22,000 souls to the LORD and is out there as I write this conducting an evangelistic series in one of the most dangerous places in the world spreading the three Angels message while those good for nothing evil ministers sit there and do what the Bishops did in the dark ages....gather the wealth, warm the pews, and play hypocrites to their conference and congregations.
I have just finished reading the updated Fox's book of Martyrs and my eyes are open to where this is heading and that our Poppery is quite complacent to have the church sitting in neutral and not moving or progressing in any major way.
This we have to waken our brethern to and it can only be done by sharing our experiences and showing our SDA brethern that there are people out there dooping us and filling us with lies and telling us all is well and we are on track etc.,
May the "Spirit" of the "Lord Jesus Christ" be with us and give us wisdom in these matters as we deal with them...and they need to be dealt with !!!
God Bless YOU !!!
You are not alone. The evil one has done a thorough job in our church to do injustice and make sure he has his people in the right places to control !!!
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