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Eugene Shubert
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Where we agree with channeled spirits Reply with quote

I've heard an evangelistic sermon series, which was taped live before a large Adventist audience at Andrews University. The fundamental point of the whole series was that the crucifixion of Jesus was only a demonstration and that God was making it clear in the meaning of the crucifixion that He didn't want us to be afraid. But this is exactly what channeled spirits have said, according to the New Age book, A Course In Miracles, Vol. 1, pp. 84-85, all documented at my website. How do the Adventists here explain this agreement?

Ellen G. White wrote:
Satan will use every opportunity to seduce men from their allegiance to God. He and his evil angels who fell with him will appear on the earth as men, seeking to deceive. God's angels also will appear as men, and will use every means in their power to defeat the purposes of the enemy. We have a part to act.--8MR 399.

Shouldn't Adventist leaders be frightened by heretical doctrines being warmly embraced at Adventist universities from channeled spirits? Where are the loyal angels--or even informed believers--to resist the work and hypnotic spell of A. Graham Maxwell?
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Maxwell's Theories Reply with quote

Eugene, I thank the Lord for how your ministry has opened the door of hope for me. I came across your website a couple of weeks ago, and since then I have read and reread your articles and the postings on your forum. It has revitalized me and brought me out of a lethargy that kept me down and depressed for several years.

In 1985, an Adventist "brother" who constantly harped that we must all love one another, backstabbed and betrayed me to the point that I almost lost my faith. He had been lured into the so-called "deliverance and message" deception and I tried my best to warn him that it was of the devil, but he refused my every effort to throw him a lifeline. That brother was my best friend, and his cold rudeness and betrayal of our friendship hit me like a ton of bricks. It almost completely knocked the spiritual breath out of me.

Since then I have been mostly inactive in the SDA Church, although I have attended church on a sporadic basis; but my enthusiasm was gone. I warmed the church pews for many years, but dared not get close to anyone for fear to being slammed into the ground again. A few years ago the Lord finally gave me peace and forgiveness for that person through a dream.

I will be sixty in October and do not have the level of energy I had in my youth; but after I got over my years of anger and disenchantment with "loving" Adventists, I wanted to get back into some sort of service or ministry to the Lord. So I set up an Internet tape ministry three years ago where I share several brilliant sermons and a book by the late J. W. (Bill) Lehman. But for Bill Lehman's ability to inspire hope in hopeless sinners, I would have given up on God long ago. Two years ago I had one of Lehman's sermon series titled "Christ Our Righteousness" published in a book with the same title, and have marveled at how I keep getting orders for tapes and books from all parts of the world.

Somehow during my years of brooding and inactivity, I never noticed the controversy within the church that you so well outline in your forum--that of Maxwell and his "God does not kill" theory and that his teachings constitute the basis of the "omega" apostasy. I have read this information carefully and find that it all makes sense. You have clearly and with great logic presented your case that Maxwell's teachings are indeed the omega of apostasy that Ellen White predicted. Eugene, who else is sounding the alarm? There has GOT to be someone else out there!!!

Two weeks prior to my first visit to your website, I was doing an Internet search for articles on the Trinity. I found the website of an SDA church in Dawsonville, Georgia where the pastor has posted not only his ideas on the Trinity but a series of articles (which he plans to turn into a Bible study series) on the so-called "Healing and Legal Models" of salvation. A brief email interchange resulted in the pastor sending me a CD with the studies and a request that I review them and comment. The studies started out innocently, but then I began to discern a line of false reasoning that led to several statements such as these: "God is not like us, His ways are higher than ours. We must realize our way of doing things is not usually the best. If God punishes His rebellious children after the judgment, aware that they are proved hardened in their sinful life style and will not change, what purpose could it serve other than saying to the rest of the universe 'If you reject and disobey Me this is what will happen to you!' Then the motive for obeying and loving God is the fear of what He will do to us if we don’t."

I began to see that he was laying the foundation for the idea that God does not kill. The errors in the Bible studies grew until he blatantly declared that "The teaching that God demands the life of the sinner as the punishment for disobedience, but He is willing to accept the death of His own son in the place of the transgressor is making God like the ancient gods of the pagans who demanded child sacrifice in order that their wrath may be appeased." Several times in the studies, the idea that "Jesus died to pay for our sins" is said to have been conceived in the mind of Satan. The point came when I could read no further; and I emailed this well-meaning, but sadly deceived pastor that he has fallen for a cleverly devised fable.

Once I stumbled upon your forum, I was hooked and spent many hours over many days reading the postings in the forum and the articles on your main website. After I learned from your forum that the "moral influence theory" was entrenched in places like Andrews and Loma Linda, I began to wonder how widespread this false theology has spread throughout Adventism. And now I learn that it has reached the small, hick town of Dawsonville, Georgia. God help His people!

From your articles and forum postings, I have come to understand something that I would NEVER have discerned on my own--that Maxwell's teachings are the basis of what Ellen White called the omega apostasy. Your articles such as "The Adventist Semi-Socinian M.I.T.H" and "The Spiritualism of Adventism" should be read by every Adventist who has not already been caught in the enemy's snare.

I am particularly swayed by the logic of your thesis that Maxwell's theory of death is the perfect complement of Kellogg's theory of life. If it is true (as Kellogg asserted) that God's presence is in all life, then death (as Maxwell asserts) is merely the removal of God's presence. How subtle! But how dangerous, for it is a direct attack of the authority of the living God, and places natural consequences and nature above God and His sovereign power and authority. I loved the illustration you used where Kellogg's theory is like one side of a picture of a face, and Maxwell's theory, being the reciprocal of Kellogg's, forms a mirror image of Kellogg's side of the face, thus bringing into focus the entire image of the face. I think you have presented your arguments in a most logical and persuasive way.

You wrote that back in Ellen White's day, "Almost no one had the discernment to recognize Kelloggs's pantheism." Finally Ellen White had to openly declare that Kellogg's theories were "akin to pantheism." I am thankful that God has given you the discernment to see Maxwell's theories as having pantheistic overtones. I truly believe that the Lord is leading you in exposing this dangerous doctrine.

Pantheism is but a veiled form of spiritualism, and spiritualism is Satan's enchanted ground. I live in Utah and have witnessed the inability of Mormons to grasp the simple truths of the Bible, preferring instead to place the Book of Mormon above the Bible and testifying to their faith that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. The simple fact is that Joseph Smith was heavily involved in various forms of spiritualism and other manifestations of the occult long before God supposedly chose him to be a modern day prophet. Mormanism smacks of spiritualism, and when people willing open their minds to the teachings of Joseph Smith, they become the legal prey of the devil, on whose enchanted ground they have ventured with their eyes wide open. Well-meaning Adventists who post on your forum that they don't see the pantheism in Maxwell's teachings do actually become "a marvelous proof of the supernatural" ability of Satan to confuse the mind when it comes to discerning truth.

By the way, somewhere in your forum you refer your readers to Bill Shea at the Biblical Research Institute for a copy of "The Serpent Speaks." I tried to contact Bill Shea but got an email back that he is no longer there.

As I watch the news, I see that this world has gone insane, and it grieves me to see so much confusion and heresy in the church. In my youth I went on a search for any "absolutes" that may exist in the world. I never found any until I read that "The righteousness of God is absolute." 1SM 198. Men may betray us, and we must marvel at the spiritual blindness of so many Adventists, but we can cling to His righteousness as the only absolute in the universe.

I think that the way you were treated by the Richardson church and the Texas Conference was mind-boggling and worthy of rebuke, and is an example of blatant "popery" within the organized church. All of our leaders are not like that, but there are enough to make it difficult to be proud to be a Seventh-day Adventist.

Thank you for your willingness to "cry aloud and spare not"; and I am happy that you have remained true to the writings of Ellen White and the core teachings of the Adventist Church in spite of the unjust treatment you have experienced from unconverted men. Your energy, brilliant logic, and fearlessness to speak out against heresy has brought hope back to my soul. It has aroused me to pursue spiritual truth again, and I can't thank you enough.

My goal now is to keep the subject of justification by faith alive. In the 80s it was the main topic of conversation, but there were dozens of versions circulating within the church. Today it has been swept under the rug, which is why I set up my tape ministry. I believe that God gave Bill Lehman a special gift for teaching that subject.

Keep trucking, my friend, and don't let the man get you down.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject: Betrayal of friendship Reply with quote

Dear twin,

We have much in common. I too was backstabbed and betrayed by a close Adventist friend. As best as I can figure out, my betrayer was trying to teach me a lesson, much like Judas was trying to teach Jesus a lesson about his own superior but unappreciated gifts. My betrayal was about ten years ago. That former friend has been pestering me ever since through sporadic, insulting and antagonistic emails. The most recent insult I received from him was his usual profession of innocence along with a revelation of all the time I wasted in trying to reason with a hopeless alcoholic for the last ten years. He says he wants my friendship now. He doesn't understand what friendship means to me. I have a minimal standard for friendship, a standard he doesn't meet. My friends should believe the gospel and strongly desire its proclamation. He wants reconciliation desperately but I can't forgive him unless God forgives him. How can I accept a former Christian brother when all indications are that he has been given over to Satan and only wants to escape God's ongoing punishment of him so he can continue living as a lukewarm Laodicean?

m.i.th hater wrote:
You have clearly and with great logic presented your case that Maxwell's teachings are indeed the omega of apostasy that Ellen White predicted. Eugene, who else is sounding the alarm? There has GOT to be someone else out there!!!

That's a very good question and I think it's possible to give a reasonable estimate. To find the answer, I googled for "Graham Maxwell" + omega to see who else understands Ellen White's omega prophecy in the light of Kellogg's pantheism and Maxwell's heresy. My conclusion is that only you and I understand the Maxwell-Kellogg parallel.

I'll try to secure a copy of "The Serpent Speaks" for you. Thanks for your many kind words.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: stupid demons Reply with quote

Eugene Shubert wrote:
9/24/2006. Good news. I found a copy of The Serpent Speaks.

Looking Upward,

I sent you a copy of The Serpent Speaks yesterday. From looking at the transcript copy that goes with it, it looks like about half the tape is from one tape on the Moral Influence theory. The rest is from the Andrews University series, which, if I remember correctly, was about 4 or 5 tapes. I recall only using about 2 tapes from that series in the Serpent Speaks compilation.

You will hear many clicks where I started and stopped the tape so you'll know what the whole quotes are and you will probably have an easy time guessing where I've inserted the many ellipses and what is an isolated, separate statement.

Hearing the tape recently makes me think that I made one major editing mistake. I started the compilation with Maxwell saying that he is going to state a half-hour summary of why Jesus died. That was a good beginning point. But I placed the majority of that quick summary at the end of the tape.

Hearing this Maxwell tape again reminds me of my college days at UCSD when I chatted at lunch one day with a student who told me that he was once heavily involved in spiritualism. I don't recall the exact words he used. He said how deeply he believed that spirits communicate through mediums but from the many times he participated in these events, the spirits communicated almost nothing that was meaningful so he turned away from it in disgust.

I find Maxwell so shallow and empty that I too am disgusted by the fact that he can talk and talk for days without end but just leaves one guessing at how he might answer pointed questions. He does expose himself fairly well in the Moral Influence theory section of the tape but only because he was provoked and reacting to me circulating my first draft of The Denial of Justice and The Man of Lawlessness a few weeks earlier in his Sabbath School class in Loma Linda. As a result, I was threatened at the Loma Linda University church by two of Maxwell's cronies who said they could have me arrested for trespassing because I was unwelcome on church property. I said go ahead. It was obvious that they didn't like me sharing and contributing to the Sabbath School class with an intelligent Adventist challenge to Maxwell's m.i.th.
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