Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: Let The Reader Decide!
The Moderator wrote:
[edit by Moderator]This post interrupted the teaching of a fundamental doctrine of this ministry in the gospel forum and was therefore moved from there to be answered separately. – The Moderator.[/edit by Moderator]
I ask the reader to be the judge. I received from Eugene Shubert the following Internet link:
If you click on it, you will discover that it leads you to a posting by "Looking Upward." As I was reading his comments about Graham Maxwell, I noticed that I was offered two choices to respond: "new topic" and "post reply." I interpreted that as an invitation to reply to Looking Upward's comments. Since the topic sounded rather interesting, I chose the "post reply" option and wrote my comments.
I appeal to the reader to make a judgment between me and Mr. Shubert: Where did I go wrong. He claims that I interrupted his teaching. First: The Internet link Shubert sent to me did not lead me to Mr. Shubert's teaching, but rather to Mr. Looking Upward comments. Second, Shubert was not teaching where the link lead me to. And third: I responded to an invitation to post a comment, which I did. Is this the way to treat visitors to Mr. Shubert's web site?
I realize that Shubert is a very intelligent and highly knowledgeable person about the Bible and Ellen G. White's writings; nevertheless, I have a suspicion that his sense of fairness needs some improvement. He claims the following about Graham Maxwell:
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I believe that Graham Maxwell is inspired by demons.
How can I believe this, when I know for a fact that Dr. Maxwell has never shown this kind of unfairness towards his listeners or followers. He was always kind, gentle, and Christ-like in the way he treated others. Isn't character what God looks for in the lives of his followers? Perhaps Shubert should read 1 Corinthians 13. It states:
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Though I have ... knowledge ... and have not charity, I am nothing.
I invite the reader to read the comments he made about me, although he doesn't know me:
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Thanks for showing yourself as such a tragic example of the power of Maxwell's mezmerizing nonsense.
Is this the way to way to treat someone who rarely visits his website. He doesn't know me, and he already knows that I am a "tragic example". Is he clairvoyant perhaps? I have been a member of the SDA Church for six decades, and I can't recall anybody treating me with such rudeness just because I happen to have a different view of another Christian.
I have a question for Eugene Shubert: I have known Graham Maxwell for over two decades. I have ample evidence that he is a Christian gentleman, and I believe that he is a SDA in good standing with the church. Are you? If not, why not? And remember that I am not judging either you or Maxwell on the basis of biblical knowledge, but rather character, which is what will determine our eternal destiny.
Today, a Moslem man came to see me and asked: Can you tell me about Seventh-day Adventists? I want to know something about your beliefs. I have known him for only two months, and he is the kindest man I have ever met. I would recommend him for heaven in spite of his Moslem background, and in spite of his ignorance about Christianity. In the way he treats others, he bears the image of God. The image of God is not in the head, but rather the heart. Tomorrow, he accepted my invitation to accompany me for Sabbath School and Worship, and he accepted the invitation to receive Bible studies.
I do not know Mr. Shubert. He might be the kindest Christian, but for me to believe this, he needs to give me some evidence of it. His knowledge of the Bible is evident, but this is not enough to convince me. I have read a couple of his postings, and I was impressed. Sometime, I would like to read a bit more, but it will have to wait, because right now I am extremely busy writing my PH. D. Dissertation in Religion.
I have one suggestion for Mr. Shubert: If you do not want visitors to inadvertently "Interrupt your teaching" in some of your forums. Do me and others a favor: Either delete the invitation to post a reply, or else [If you cannot do this] then post a warning similar to this:
Do not post your comments on this forum unless you have previous authorization by management!
This would save you and others a bad experience!
By the way, I need to correct a misinformation about Graham Maxwell: He does not send any tapes that I know to others. His admirers are the ones who do this out of courtesy to those who have requested this Christian service. It started when some of those who had listened to him moved away and were missing his teaching. It began not at the request of Maxwell, but rather as a result of the initiative of others.
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:03 am Post subject: You are not welcome to quibble in heaven, midheaven, etc.
Persons who feel insulted by the theology of this reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist ministry, wishing instead to defend Satan's methods, doctrines, agents, or his sadly deceived followers, are not welcome to post in the heavenly or high mountain forums.
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: Perhaps There is a Reason You Have a Virtual Jail!
You have not answered the issues I have raised. Do you expect the occasional visitor to remember the rules you have hidden somewhere in the User Agreement?
Several years elapsed between my visits to your website. How can I remember the strange rules you set up for your website? No other interactive site has these rules, and no other web site manager is as rude with their visitors as you are, and you believe that I am the one using Satan's methods?
I can understand punishing the intentional breaking of reasonable rules, but I honestly fail to comprehend the rude treatment of one who innocently breaks an unreasonable rule that defies common sense.
I made a reasonable suggestion to save you and occasional visitors from future agravation, and you respond with hell fire! Common, this is stranger than fiction!
There is one thing I am really glad: You are not in charge of the real heaven and hell. The Lord is!
Let the reader examine what I stated and decide who is the one using "Satan's methods."
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