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Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:55 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:59 pm    Post subject: HA, I believe you said that historically Adventists believed in two divine Beings, the Father and His Son, and three divine personalities. Are you saying that the Father has two personalities and the Holy Spirit has none or that the Holy Spirit is a personality without being a Person? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:12 pm    Post subject: HA, Are you sure James White had “Holy Spirit” capitalized? I ask because I believe there are a few extremists around who don’t believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. They complain about capitalization in “the Third Person of the Godhead.” Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:49 pm    Post subject: see post above Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:56 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 8:08 am    Post subject: Here are a few dictionary definitions of the English word ‘Godhead’ from the Merriam-Webster Online Collegiate Dictionary and www.dictionary.com. god·head n. 1. Divinity; godhood. 2. Godhead a. The Christian God, especially the Trinity. b. The essential and divine nature of God, regarded abstractly. Godhead \God"head\, n. [OE. godhed. See -head, and cf. Godhood.] 1. Godship; deity; divinity; divine nature or essence; godhood. Godhead (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9), the essential being or the nature of God. Main Entry: god·head Function: noun Etymology: Middle English godhed, from god + -hed -hood; akin to Middle English -hod -hood Date: 13th century 1 : divine nature or essence : DIVINITY 2 capitalized a : GOD * b : the nature of God especially as existing in three persons. * footnote is missing. This last reference is most interesting because it mentions the etymology of the word “godhead.” Its origin is in the 13th century. I believe that’s the zenith of Roman Catholicism. Since Trinitarianism reigned supreme at that point and in the succeeding ages of Christian history, we must respect the ordinary meaning of the word. Only a cultist would redefine words and insist on non-standard meanings. Consequently, the “third person of the Godhead” is an unmistakable reference to the Holy Spirit as the Third Person in the Godhead in a Trinitarian sense. Linguistically, the phrase “third person of the Godhead” only has meaning for Trinitarians and those who use the word “Godhead” to mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as a group of three. The Greek word translated ‘Godhead’ in Romans 1:20 (KJV) means “divinity, divine nature.” To see this, click the link to be taken to a Greek Lexicon. Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:39 pm    Post subject: see post above Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:57 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:16 pm    Post subject: Historic Adventist wrote: Historic Adventists believed, “that there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit.” And, “that there is one Lord Jesus Christ, and Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist…” –James White. From the above statement I think it is clear that the Historic Adventists who pioneered the Seventh-day Adventist Church believed in not just two divine Beings, but three divine Beings. Scripture is clear that there is one God, one Son, and one Holy Spirit, each of them divine. If we adjoin to this belief an inspired definition of “Godhead,” as in the following quote, where’s the contradiction? Eugene Shubert wrote: The Godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19). The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested (Colossians 2:9 cf. John 1:1). He is the express image of His Father (Hebrews 1:3 cf. Colossians 1:15). The Holy Spirit is a Person, a free, working, independent agency (John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15). He is all the fullness of the Godhead in a way incomprehensible to finite creatures. Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2002 1:35 pm    Post subject: Eugene perhaps one day before it is too late you will get over yourself and bow to the authority of the Scriptures instead of your own intellect. Hopefully you will be saved by grace. Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:59 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:31 pm    Post subject: HA, I’m not arguing for or against the Adventist doctrine of the Trinity. I’m asking questions about the Bible and your belief in it. Forget about traditional Trinitarianism for a second. In your previous post you seem to be saying that there is no Biblical justification for believing in “a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned all together in 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, and Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19. Why isn’t that a good enough proof in your mind to establish the existence of a heavenly trio? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Trinity...sminity... WillieH: Hello to all... the grace of JESUS CHRIST be unto you all... This organization is so unsure of itself, all it does is babble of a doctrine that doesnt even exist in the HOLY SCRIPTURES... The first sign of something false is its ABSENSE in Scripture! The Rapture, the Trinity, Christmas, Easter, Free will, HELL, all wreak of their Pagan orgins of multiple gods, and traditional holidays, and UNJUST and UNMERCIFUL punishment... THAT is why everyone here babbles about them... for they are what constitutes BABBLE-ON... May God open the eyes of your hearts... In JESUS ...WillieH...servant Back to top   '); //--> lt2nick is under review Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9 Location: Ohio Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Trinity...sminity... WillieH wrote: This organization is so unsure of itself, all it does is babble of a doctrine that doesnt even exist in the HOLY SCRIPTURES... The Rapture, the Trinity, Christmas, Easter, Free will, HELL, all wreak of their Pagan orgins of multiple gods, and traditional holidays, and UNJUST and UNMERCIFUL punishment... Are you saying this forum supports: The Rapture (not Biblical), Free will (Biblical), and Hell (Biblical) ? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Rapture, Free Will, and HELL... WillieH: Hi It2nick... peace be unto you... lt2nick wrote: WillieH wrote: This organization is so unsure of itself, all it does is babble of a doctrine that doesnt even exist in the HOLY SCRIPTURES... The Rapture, the Trinity, Christmas, Easter, Free will, HELL, all wreak of their Pagan orgins of multiple gods, and traditional holidays, and UNJUST and UNMERCIFUL punishment... Are you saying this forum supports: The Rapture (not Biblical), Free will (Biblical), and Hell (Biblical) ? First, let me say it has been months since I have visited this forum... Second, let me apologize for using the word "everyone here"... as it is all-encompassing and unfair to bring into its circle.... ALL... Third, ...to address your words... RAPTURE... does NOT appear in the Scriptures and is a "MAN-UFACTURED" doctrine... UNBIBLICAL... ************************************************************* FREE WILL... also does NOT appear in the Scriptures as it is commonly UNDERSTOOD through via the carnal mind... UNBIBLICAL... There are NO BIBLICAL references (that I have found) that STATE that MAN has a FREE WILL... Man HAS a WILL... but it is NOT FREE... As stated by the Scriptures (3 witnesses): Matt 6:24 "NO MAN can SERVE 2 MASTERS: for either he WILL HATE the one and love the other, or else he WILL hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye CANNOT SERVE God and mammon..." Jer 10:23 "O YAHWEH, I know that the WAY of MAN ...NOT IN HIMSELF, ...NOT IN MAN that walketh to DIRECT his steps" Pro 20:24 "MAN's GOINGS...of YAHWEH; how CAN a man then UNDERSTAND ...HIS OWN WAY? okay... if you insist... a 4th witness: Rom 9:16 "So then ...NOT of Him that WILLETH, nor of Him that RUNNETH, but OF GOD, that showeth mercy" No one that SERVES is FREE... you are a SLAVE to that which you SERVE... You can't SERVE GOD (spirit) and MAMMON (worldly gain) at the same time... There is only ONE WILL that is FREE... that is NOT DICTATED to at any time, ...that does NOT have a cause... that is NOT COUNCILED... and that WILL is the WILL of GOD... ALL other "WILL's" choose from CAUSES or OPTIONS, provided by the Creator... and therefore are NOT FREE... There is only ONE WILL that shall survive in ETERNITY... ONE WILL that is the GOAL of creation... ONE WILL that WILL be DONE in Earth as it is IN HEAVEN... that being the WILL of YAHWEH... ALL other "WILLS" shall be desolved into HIS.... Man has CHOICE, and those choices are made from options provided by God... the benefits or consequences of those choices DECIDED by GOD... foreknown by GOD... Reconciled by GOD... Therefore FREE WILL is UNBIBLICAL ************************************************************* HELL... ah... here is a word that DOES NOT (if translated truthfully) appear in SCRIPTURE... It is translated from 4 words: 1. SHEOL (Appears 31 times ...in the OT falsely translated HELL means: place of the unseen/state or place of those in the state of death) (This word, in most MODERN translations is being left out because of its insinuated and ASSUMED environment) There is NO CONNOTATION of FIRE in the definition of this word... Sheol = BIBLICAL / translated HELL = UNBIBLICAL 2. HADES (Appears 10 times ...in the NT - place of the unseen/state or place of those in the state of death) This word, which is falsely translated HELL in the NT - is the GREEK word paralleling SHEOL, In most MODERN translations is also being left out because of its FALSE insinuated and ASSUMED environment. There is also, NO CONNOTATION of FIRE in the definition of this word. Hades = BIBLICAL / translated HELL = UNBIBLICAL. 3. GEHENNA (appears 11 times ...in the NT - falsely translated HELL, this word MEANS: Valley of Hinnom... place that often, garbage was burned... NOT ETERNALLY, The fires of Gehenna have long ago been doused... it therefore is NOT BURNING. It is derived from 2 Hebrew words: HINNOM - (#2011 Hebrew - Strongs); and GAY (#1516 Hebrew - Strongs) meaning valley or narrow gorge. Neither of these HEBREW words connotates fire... Gehenna = BIBILCAL / translated HELL = UNBIBLICAL. 4. TARTARUS (appears once)...in the NT - falsely translated HELL, this word means: the DEEPEST ABYSS of HADES... again, no FIRE... Just the DEEPEST part of the region of the dead... Tartarus = BIBLICAL / translated HELL = UNBIBLICAL. Of the 4 words translated HELL in the Scriptures... NONE have an ORIGIN of FIRE... NONE have or insinuate ETERNAL or FOREVER consequences... ALL words translated HELL are meant to infer and COMMUNICATE FEAR... (which I might add is OF THE DEVIL)... What IS Scriptural: "There is NO FEAR in LOVE but, Perfect LOVE CASTETH OUT FEAR" (1 John 4:18) HELL is therefore UNBIBLICAL... ************************************************************* Peace.... ...May God lead you as you SEEK Him... In JESUS ...WillieH ...servant... 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