WalkInAgape
Seventh-day Adventist
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 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: A Private Interpretation of Steve Starman's Dream |
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Hi there, brothers & sisters! Sorry for the length, and I will say it again, at the end, but this dream by Steve Starman calls forth comments!
I thought the dream, so filled with animation, and such beautifully clear pictures, that I would just use brackets, and as the Spirit of Christ would have me do, I will note those things that have come to mind, as I have read, and then prayed over that which was dreamt:
As it began, I was driving on a beautiful, winding country road. There were magnificent green trees [that which speaks of the out of doors, and the beauty of nature, speaks of walking along life's path, but concentrating upon the "greenery," which speaks of the beauty of the Christian walk. That which is green, always applies to Jesus, for remember when He said: "For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry" (Luke 23: 31), telling us that His question had to do with Himself, that green tree, filled with the beauty of eternal life to give to all who would accept Him, and that which would be offered after that time, which always would be far far less than the beauty of His Presence among mankind, for the Jews shall be forever dry as a nation [spiritually impotent]. Surely then, taking a turn from off that road filled with greenery, and light, may have been a mistake, but we will continue]
all along the way, and shafts of sunlight were permeating the greenery [as above, light and greenery] at intervals [the light will not always shine, for to those who continually pray, "[Only] [n]ow and then their faces would light up with the marks of God's approbation . . ." Early Writings, p. 269]. It was exceedingly peaceful [This peace, as we learn from Romans 5: 1, is "peace with God," that very first blessing that caresses the human psyche, and the joy that accompanies it, literally brings some to their knees, tearfully acknowledging how wonderful God truly is, and mention their deep sorrow, for ever having sinned in any way against Him"].
I came to a street or long driveway intersecting upon my right, and pulled the car off the road to take a look [Sadly, I feel this can be a WRONG turn {I will explain later}, although I too feel the same about that place to which you go. There is no doubt in my soul, that God has shown you the secrecy {God has absolutely nothing to do with secrecy of any kind, for He has ensured all He has done is fully in the opent, that none may speak anything of unrighteousness, for all has been done even with witnesses, that none will doubt Him} that abides within the upper echelons of the General Conference, for although I cannot judge any single individual, I am sure that there is much injustice, and grace worldliness, that would be hidden from the rank and file believers, for if all that was occurring were told us at one time, we would all do as only few of us are now doing, and that is we are a part of "[they] that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof" (Ezekiel 9: 4)].
The road led quite a way to a rather large building that had an ominous feel [an antonym (opposite) for the word "ominous," is "hopeful." There is absolutely no hope for those within that structure who are part of the secrecy that goes on there, for all such have worked against God, and they have been the cause for many to go into Christless graves, because, although these sleeping have had a good Church record, they have never truly learned that salvation has more to do with Whom you know and love, and therefore obey, than who you know in the Church, and how much you do for her. That Church, my Church, has lied steadily for over fifty long years, and told all who long to know the truth that so long as you remain part of this denomination, all will be well -- the very same words spoken by the priests of Judah to their congregation] to it.
The building itself was not unusual—just a single-story, normal-looking office style. I often pulled over and looked at this building on my way home, just as I was then [through our reading of the Church's literature (Review, Signs, Ministry, etc., even attending General Meetings, etc.), we feel that we are looking into the leaders lives, and there, seeing those who have been called forth like Moses, to speak the truth, and always stand for the right, though the heavens fall, and lead, as dod Moses, the family of believers into the Heavenly Canaan].
There was just something about it that wasn't quite right; at this time I can't remember what set it apart from others. It seemed that there was an inordinate amount of security and secrecy there. [These words are very telling, and I will speak to you of an experience I had with another brother who is older, and a retires monister of the Adventist Church. I called Him and spoke a number of questions to Him, about many of those things that I have learned concerning the wrong-doings going on at the GC level. This fine older ex-pastor, took such offense to my words that were against some of the goings on, one of those things that he said to me was this: "My, Jim, if you approached the General conference with questions like those, you wouldn't even get through the front door!" For the first time in my life, I recognized that this dear man, was speaking about the GC, as I, who came from families of Roman Catholics, spoke about the Roman Curia! It blew my mind -- it was literally a little frightening -- as I heard these comments coming from a friend, who turned into an enemy, as soon as I spoke against that great edifice, that he had served for fifty plus years, and loved so much! "SHE could never be attacked by one such as you," were the overtone of his words]
I could never tell from my stops whether it was a government building or a research facility, but it certainly had that feel [Yes, indeed, for rather than being fishers of men, I believe that sadly, there is much to alarm us that there are many who fish for dollars, but not all, for some are godly men; this I must believe!].
My curiosity was natural; in the dream I was a newspaper reporter, perhaps an investigative journalist of some type [Will the Israel of God awake? Will all who profess godliness seek to put away every wrong, to confess to God every secret sin, and afflict the soul before Him? Will they, with great humility, investigate the motives of every action, and know that the eye of God reads all, searches out every hidden thing" (@T, p. 124)? ]. I pulled away, and continued to my home [You got yourself back on that road you were upon at the beginning of the dream. This road must be stayed on, or else, we can lose everything].
(I arrived home, to a house that I don't recognize now or then, but I remember many details of it.)
After I arrived home, I received an unexpected phone call from a ‘whistle-blower' from the institution that I had paused to look at. The person told me that he would come to my house later that evening with "undeniable proof" of a concealed, dangerous corporate or governmental cover-up [This in my eyes, is a wondrous thing! When I read it, the story line jumped out at me, and I am xertain that this is at least one of those thoughts, that must be learned from the "cover-up!"]: my suspicions were confirmed. He appeared at the house with a protective body suit, not unlike a suit for radiation or biohazard workers, and left it with me. The understanding that I had from the stranger's visit was that if experts examined the suit, all mysteries regarding the strange activities at the plant would be blown wide open. [The experts are the angels, and saints of the early Church, FAther, Who is the Judge of those who have had their names written in the Book of Life, and of course those today, who still see clearly the beauty of the doctrine of Christ our Righteousness, because the biohazard suit is the righteousness of man, or if you will, self-righteousness! Because the Church changed her story, after the 1930 concerning the humanity of Jesus Christ, she is teaching a damnable doctrine, which has taken many into a faulty understanding of Christ's humanity! Today, the teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, in her 27 Fundamentals, is that Jesus Christ came to the world, in the pre-fall Adamic nature!
This is a grievous falsehood, because all who believe this teaching, aren't ready to receive the imparted righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan uses this false teaching, to allow those who will receive the teachings of men {a hierarchical religious system fosters such learning}, to believe that God will save them in their sins, because Jesus had the upper hand because He did not enter the earth, in fallen nature, and therefore, couldn't possibility identify with the pain and suffering of fallen men and women, who daily have to run from temptation, and sufferings of mind, body and soul!
If Jesus didn't come to the earth in "the seed of Abraham" (Hebrews 2: 16), then none of us need to faithfully expect that the Spirit of Christ is able to "keep [us] from falling, and to present [us] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy" (Jude 24)! What are these foreign words: faultless, literally keep us from falling! Why, pure hypocrisy! The truth of the spiritual walk of mankind with His Savior through the Spirit of Christ, is that if we walk with known sin in our lives, then we aren't walking with God as He wants us to, and so long as we continue in those sins, we are choosing Satan over Christ! Believing that we can be taken into the atmosphere of godly angels, not to mention a Holy God, who sinless angels avoid their gaze from, He is such to be loved and praised and respected as Father and God, is simply an untruth, and yet, the entire Church, saving only a few, would call anyone who spoke these words in this manner, to be a fanatic! This is what I see with the bio-suit! And the words you used, are phenominally correct: When the experts {The Father, Who is the Judge of all Who call themselves Christians, and have their names written in the book of Life because of it}, is well able to see that many who should have found the truth, because Ellen White expounds this truth throughout all her writings, and the Scriptures, tell us that those who walk with Him, will even be as He is: "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 17: Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love" (1John 5: 15-18). All those who have walked with Christ, should be daily growing closer to Him, not closer to this world, and its ways. The love of money being the root of all evil, condemns many these days, and to speak to some/many of our brothers and sisters, telling them Christ is coming, will cause them to reel back, and immediately speak of something else, for they fail of even wanting to know! How sad, that most of the people who are able to say, we, as a church, were raised by God, for the impartation of the truth to a dying world, will not, themselves, believe the time is short, and the world is indeed dying!]
Later on that same day, I also received—somehow—the knowledge from God, that He would speak a message to me that night, at 2:00 AM. Two (real-life) married friends of ours learned of this coming communication very late in the day [speaks of the eleven o'clock saints, who are saved just before the second coming] (I or my wife may have called them—I'm not sure), and they immediately [or we could say "straightway"] left their home to drive to our place [This time, along the same road you began on with greenery all around]. As these friends were enroute, and it was very late, I realized that another real-life friend of ours (Mat) was out front in the driveway playing basketball under the lights. He was playing with a friend of his that we did not know [Maybe Mat is playing basketball with a worldly friend, and thus, later at 2:00, you must tell him not to worry about that secular date he is speaking of, because he is being taken away from spiritual pursuits].
When our married friends arrived, the atmosphere was very solemn. We were trying to arrange a way to videotape the communication event, but it seemed that all we had was a VCR [possibly remnants of thinking that antichrist would be seen all around the world, by the TV set]. It also seemed that we thought we could tape the event with just a VCR and no videotaping device [magic thinking, although this is possibly too psychological]. Odd. As the time grew near, I went outside by myself onto a sloping lawn, facing approximately east [This my dear brother, holds so very much truth in it, and this truth, isn't known by most of the Adventist denomination, because another lie has been preached concerning this! "We are not saved as a sect; no denominational name has any virtue to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. 'And "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." We may have our names recorded on the books of the most spiritual of the churches, and yet we may not belong to Christ, and our names may not be written on the Lamb's book of life." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 464. The Church has taught for decades, that we are all to be saved as Seventh-day Adventists -- that Jesus isn't coming for individuals, but these aren't the words of Ellen White, as you can see. This is an ungodly deception, but of course, we should have seen the untruth, because after the 490 years, Jews could only be saved as single individuals. Why? We are told by the Spirit of Prophecy, because there are none to be saved as a people any longer. The text above from R&H; is but one of a number, but I only have a few minutes to type. Those who are secretive, and who lie, want those who aren't stout students of the Spirit of Prophecy, and the Scriptures, to believe what they say -- their particular slant on things. The remnant of God are beginning to hear and come closer to God, but each will be saved as INDIVIDUALS, and this is why, you brother, had to go out by yourself, and look up into the Eastern Sky].
This was on a different side of the house from the basketball hoop. At 2:00 AM exactly, I noticed that the sun began to rise in the east: a beautiful, peaceful, miraculous sunrise. I was thrilled to my soul. I felt as if the sun was warming me through to my heart. I yelled "Of course! The sun is rising at midnight!" as if it was a forgotten something that I remembered was supposed to happen just that way. But, even as I was yelling that out, I was a bit confused as to what I was shouting, since I distinctly knew that it was 2:00 AM, and the sun was definitely rising. It seemed that my mouth was speaking its own words, divorced from my mind's thoughts. [Of course, because you were seeing exactly as EGW often saw, and knew that she knew something at the time, but then, forgot about it. In the dream, you were split, between the "you" who was experiencing the event [this "you" knew the answers], but the "you" who was seeing the "you" who was experiencing, couldn't figure out what was going on! Paul, on the Damascus Road, heard the words of Jesus, but those with him only heard a noise "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me" (Acts 22: 9). In Acts 8, it is said they [the others with Saul] heard the voice, but above in Acts 22, they did not hear the voice. EGW fixes it, I think in Acts of the Apostles, by saying they heard a noise, while Saul heard a voice. So, look upon yourself when you saw what you saw, as the "you" who is seeing you doing this, is the important one, and "that you" just doesn't understand, neither can you speak that which you know you know. Possibly what is most important, is that it was said to be 2:00 a.m., but even as you said midnight, you knew it was 2:00 a.m. Is Yahweh maybe telling you that Jesus coming will feel as though He is late to the 144,000, but that will just be their feelings -- Jesus will arrive just in time? It could also be a word from Yahweh, telling you that those who are using the three timelines in Daniel 12 as day/day prophetic words, and they aren't to do this, because they will not be correct, as to the Voice of the Father calling forth the day and the hour of Jesus' return at the Seventh plague. This needs to be prayerfully sought after, for it holds importance, I feel].
About this time I realized that the others: my wife, our married friends, Mat and his friend, were now on the lawn behind me. Mat's friend began to talk about some future sporting event that he was concerned about, but I turned toward them and yelled without thinking "don't worry, we won't be here by then!" As I cried out, I could feel myself ‘going into vision,' (the only way I can describe it) and I began to see a horizontal cylinder just before me, maybe a foot long, made up of disks in sort of a laminated, horizontal stack-up. Each disk had numbers on it, and the series of numbers on the disks aligned to form a digital number. It reminded me of a large version of the workings of an older-style mechanical odometer in a car. I knew immediately as I saw it, that it was the day/date of Jesus' coming. We were all terribly excited, but I couldn't speak the number/date even though I could clearly see it. My mind couldn't comprehend the clearly presented date in a way that I could voice it. It's not like I felt God didn't want me to say it—it's that I was totally unable to make the sounds come out of my mouth.
At this point in the dream, I awoke. As I write this recollection, I am getting chills remembering the incredible reality of the dream. What I described as ‘going into vision' was totally amazing, and really indescribable. Words absolutely fail. I can't begin to imagine the experience of a true prophet in a waking vision!
One last point: about 1/3 of the way through my writing of the dream, in my tent, the pen (the ONLY pen we had) began to skip. I looked at it with my headlamp, and saw that there was virtually no gel ink left in it. I was incredulous. I began to pray that God would somehow ‘fill the pen' with enough ink to at least record the dream. I even prayed that he would somehow perform a real, visible miracle and make the ink not go down in volume (I'm not joking—there was a layer of ink about .010-.020" thick in the reservoir). That would give me proof positive that God wanted me to record the dream! Alas, it was not to be. I felt like a knucklehead. I did keep praying and tapping the pen—sometimes violently—to get enough ink to the tip to finish the narrative. I had juuuuust enough: the last sentence is barely legible, and the last word is inscribed into the paper without any ink to speak of.
Just my making a few notations that really made me think, and of course, I prayed about what should be written before I wrote, asking for Christ's Spirit to guide me. I too feel the dream is from God, and that it is part of the Joel 2 prophecy. We are blessed to be living in those days that are just before the end, and personally, I feel the 144,000 may be being called forth already. If Jesus would desire that I be among those who walk with Him, wherever He goes, Oh, how blessed I would eternally be!! Alleluia! But all is completely up to Him. I will be praying for you brothers & sisters, and thanking God for His disclosures, and His mercy upon this sinful world, and the sinners that live here. He has been very forgiving, and merciful to me, and continues to be. I want that I become fully free from all sinfulness, yet, I desire to run as far away as I can run, from any sort of spiritual pride, for when the Sons of God who have been promised begin to come forth, Satan will be very aggrivated, because he knows his time is short indeed!
Oh yes, I remember what I wanted to speak of from the beginning. There are many who are seeing a rat, if you will, and many are leaving the Church, and leaving the Message and Jesus, their Saviour as well. This is the worry, and the advice that I give about the beginning of the dream, when you turned off from the greenery and light, to find the governmental home. When people look into the darkness that abides with many in the GC, they can lose sight of Jesus Christ if they continue to seek deeply into the things that the GC is up to!
Never, are we to allow anything to take our eyes from off the Savior, because when we do that, self begins to grow -- we are literally in trying to find out more of what's happening within the Church, feeding the carnal nature, and the old man can arise from these ashes, and create grave spiritual problems. Since the beginning of my sojourn as an SDA, I can say I have never been a follower of the Adventist Church! Never! I have and by His grace shall always be, a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ!
I have not ever been an Adventist first! I have been, by the grace of God, a Christian first, and an Adventist second, therefore, no spiritual bubbles will burst, if, like the Worldwide Church of God let us say, the GC speaks positively about the Sunday. Being Christ's firstly and foremostly, will enable the believer then, to walk away from those who have gone into Satan's hands. Presently, I am thinking about having my name taken from off the books, so that I shall never share in the corporate responsibility that Yahweh holds against the Philadelphians who slowly turned into lukewarm Laodiceans, and are presently going down fast. I must pray about this. There are really only a few texts of the Spirit of Prophecy, keeping my name there right now, and that of course, EGW speaking about a brother H, who spoke of the SDA Church as being Babylon. I do not want to make even a tiny mistake, for in so doing, I may hurt someone who is weaker, and maybe has looked up to me over the years. If this dear one, falls by the wayside, what shall I do?
God knows I sigh and cry over the sin in the church now, and yet, I am able to speak up at Sabbath School, and set some straight on various doctrines that are beginning to fall by the wayside. All in all, like you my dearest brothers & sisters, I feel the pain of apostasy, too close for comfort, but I want not, to cause one to sin. I cannot presently, bring people to church, so that they can become baptised into a denomination that is going down, so what shall I do? I shall, by the grace of God, Introduce Jesus to all about me -- there were two today -- and study with them, as often as I can, and pray that the Spirit shall ever guide my steps. If any of you dear ones has some advice, I welcome it. Sorry for the verbosity, but I could not hold it back.
Agape,
JimT |
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