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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just reread the quote in which EGW uses Prov. 8 and find it extremely hard to see how anyone can see any justification whatsoever that she is applying it to Christ being "produced" or brought into existence.
All those texts she is using point to Christ as the LORD JEHOVAH who revealed HIMSELF TO MANKIND.

Christ has been going forth to manifest God to the created beings since the dawn of creation.
(And this earth was NOT the first thing God created, there were other worlds and lots of heavenly beings in existance before earth's creation week)

Christ goes forth from God to mingle with the angels--

He came forth from God when He came to earth, and went back to God when He returned to heaven.

That doesn't mean HE was produced or brought into existence, it means He's moving out among created beings to reveal God to them.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Melchizedek --
SDA BC is not the final word.

The Bible says
He was without father or mother, having neither beginning of days nor end of life. (Heb. 7:3)
He was made like the son of God. (Heb. 7:3)
He is the king of righteousness, the king of peace. (Heb. 7:2)
He is greater than Abraham (Heb. 7:4)

It doesn't say that nobody knows who his mother and father were, and nobody knows when he was born and died. It doesn't say that.
It says HE WAS WITHOUT father or mother,
having neither beginning of days nor end of life.

This may very well be a member from the heavenly realms, appearing as a man (There are many cases in the Bible where heavenly beings appear to people looking like "men")

It's the work of the Holy Spirit to intercede for us here on the earth.

Romans 8.26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

And he that searcheth the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Christ, after the order of Melechizedec is our High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The purpose of Ellen White in this paragragh is obvious in the first two sentences,
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The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. PP 34


The first sentence points out that there was someone working with the Father in the creation of all things. The rest of the paragragh uses the Bible to describe who this co-worker or associate was. First, He is the Anointed of God, the Messiah, the Christ. Second, He is the Son of God. I believe that it is Proverbs that really brings home the fact that Jesus is the litteral Son of the Father.

Psalm 2 shows us that the Anointed One is declared to be the Son of God,
"I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Psalm 2:7

Others in the Bible have supported this,
Peter said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matt. 16:16

The demons Jesus rebuked said, "Thou art Christ the Son of god...for they knew that he was (the) Christ." Luke 4:41

Martha said, "I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." John 11:27

The Ethiopian said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:37.

Paul, "Preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God." Acts 9:20
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"Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God." PP 34


This becomes important especially in harmonizing with the declaration of Christ, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" 1John 5:5 "He that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." 1John 5:10,11

You believe that Jesus is the Son of God. So do I. I believe in the eternity of Christ and the power of Christ. So do you.

And the Bible offers no other explanation of how Jesus is the Son other than words like "begotten" and "brought forth". To take these words as figurative is to say that Jesus is not really the Son of God. Our hope of salvation depends on knowing that Jesus is the Son of God.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as Melchisedec is concerned, I agree the Bible commentary is not the rule or complete authority. I was only showing that there is evidence to support what I was saying about the priesthood (since I do not consider myself an authority on the Jewish religion)

We have one High Priest today, Jesus Christ. Ellen White points out that Melechisedec was not Christ but he was a priest of God. "It was Christ that spoke through Melchisedec, the priest of the most high God." {RH, February 18, 1890 par. 10}

Everything in the universe and every being was created by Christ and therefore has a beginning. "The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings. 'By Him were all things created, . . . whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him.' Colossians 1:16." PP 34

J. N. Andrews also presented this same view of Melchisedec in Rview and Herald September 7, 1869.
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