Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 52 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Canada
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:58 pm Post subject:
The plain utterances of God's word! how can one claim to honor the utterances of God while rejecting the plainest commentaries that He Himself has provided for us upon the very utterances that already show the full deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit? These passages in Romans 9:5 and John 8 and 10 and 1 John 3 are sufficient in themselves to establish the deity of Christ and of the Holy Spirit but God has given us through inspiration another witness to correct our errors. We have no excuse. _________________ Believing unto righteousness Rom.10:10.
The plain utterances of God's word! how can one claim to honor the utterances of God while rejecting the plainest commentaries that He Himself has provided...
Good point, AB. So now tell me. How is it that you reject these plain utterances of God's word:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
2 Cor 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
James 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
What excuse do you have for rejecting these most plain utterances of the bible conclusively testifying that God is the FATHER and not a trinity???
Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 52 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Canada
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:19 pm Post subject:
These passages of Scriptures prove nothing as far as proving anything for or against the trinity! _________________ Believing unto righteousness Rom.10:10.
These passages of Scriptures prove nothing as far as proving anything for or against the trinity!
I disagree. They all prove that God is defined as the Father exclusively! Show me one passage in which the phrase "God the Son" and "God the Spirit" occurs.
Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 52 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Canada
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:59 pm Post subject:
That is what you are having problems with. You refuse to acknowledge "God the Son," or "God the Spirit." Then you will die in your sins! Unless Christ is "God the Son" He cannot be a Savior! Compare again Isaiah 43:10-15 and John 8:24,28.
It is hard to imagine that somoene who calls himself a Christian could read Isaiah 43:10 with John 8:24,28 and not see that Christ is "God the Son!"
And if the Holy Spirit is not "God the Spirit," then the Spirit is only "of God" but not the third Person of the Godhead!
May the Lord forgive our dullness and unbelief! _________________ Believing unto righteousness Rom.10:10.
I refuse to acknowledge "God the Son" and "God the Spirit" simply because the bible and the SOP doesn't acknowledge those two gods. The bible and the SOP acknowledges the Son OF God and the Spirit OF God. Now, I'm asking you to please show me the acknowledgement from the bible and the SOP referring to "God the Son" and "God the Spirit".
I will not die in my sins for acknowledging God's word over the tradition that you are espousing. I'm proving my position from the scriptures while you are attempting to prove it by human reasoning. Show me where Isaiah and John say that "Ulness Christ is 'God the Son', He cannot be our Savior'. Where does it say that? The DIVINITY of Christ is established. Him being "God the Son" is NOT! According to you and the trinitarian viewpoint, because Christ is divine, He must be "God the Son". Really? By what and whose authority do you make such a pronouncement? You should be able to back this all up from the inspired word of God. But you're not! You're just telling us that we must accept it! It doesn't work that way, brother. I don't have to accept any teaching that's not in harmony with the plain utterances of God's word. And this is where I stand and may God help me!
AB, Isaiah 43:10 is referring to the Father. The name LORD is Jehovah, the name of the Eternal God - the Father. Christ, His son has inherited God's name, the one and only true God. God the Father gave Christ His Son the authority to use and speak in His, the Father's name. This verse doesn't teach that there's a "God the Son". This is being read into the text by proponents of the trinity.
You may be citing this scripture as your authority for belief in the trinity, but this is a scripture misapplied, for the passage doesn't teach a trinity but rather shows that Jehovah is the only God and there is none else.
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