The Confessing Seventh-day Adventist

by **Eugene Shubert** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:24 pm

woobadooba wrote:
Why Don't They Just Move On?

Something that I find to be very disturbing is that when people leave our church they often make a ministry out of putting it down.

Some even go to great lengths to do this by putting up SDA bashing websites. And then there are others who post all over the forums, expressing their anger and the issues that they have with the SDA church.

Why don't they just move on with their lives and do something more productive? Why do they feel a need to put us down?

When I left the Methodist church as a result of not agreeing with some of their doctrine, I didn't go around bashing them at every opportunity. In fact, I strongly disagree with what the Catholic Church teaches, and yet I don't even bash them for it.

But why SDAs? Why do we always seem to get this kind of treatment?

Interestingly, there is one person in particular who has done nothing but bash our church ever since he left it, because he doesn't agree with what we teach.

Well, why doesn't he do this with other denominations? Why only ours? I know he doesn't agree with much of what Catholicism teaches. So why doesn't he say anything about them? Why does he spend so much time trying to find fault with us?

Indeed I don't see anything remotely close to resembling the fruits of the Spirit in such activity!

It is evident to me that the devil is behind this whole thing, and the more these people do this the more I am convinced that I am in the right church.

woobadooba wrote:And then there are others who post all over the forums, expressing their anger and the issues that they have with the SDA church. Why don't they just move on with their lives and do something more productive?

Even the pope recognizes that his church is responsible for the spiritual abuse that church members suffer because of a depraved hierarchy. Did the pope tell victims of abuse to just move on? Shouldn't Seventh-day Adventists have just as much discernment as the pope? Why doesn't the Seventh-day Adventist church voluntarily pay reparations to those it has abused?

by **Eugene Shubert** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:32 pm

woobadooba wrote:This is an absurd insinuation! The SDA church hasn't abused anyone. There are people WITHIN the church that are abusive, but the church ITSELF is not abusive.

It's not absurd at all. It's a proven fact that the Catholic hierarchy coddled known pedophile priests and just played musical chairs with them by moving them around to different districts. When the conspiratorial abuse against children became public knowledge, most Catholics blamed the victims. That makes that whole organization corrupt and deserving of God's wrath.

I suppose that you and the other coconspirators on this thread believe that just a few ringleaders within the Jewish Sanhedrin were responsible for Christ's crucifixion and that God didn't pour out a just retribution on the entire Jewish Nation as a consequence. Understanding the Jewish-Adventist parallels as I do, I'm sure that the Jewish General Conference responded to the news of the crucifixion with an internal memo that said something like, "Let's forget all about the ungodly prejudices that led to the Jesus crucifixion scandal and get on with the job of running the church. No action will be taken against those that urged the State to crucify Jesus. But if anyone dares to reveal that church authorities are guilty of murdering godly teachers, then the local Conference must take swift and decisive action against those who refuse to submit to the proper church authorities. 'For it is better for one member to perish than for the whole body to be thrown into confusion.' Mt 5:29,30." cf. John 11:50.

The lesson in all this is that Adventists that have unquestioning faith in the presumed righteousness of the Adventist hierarchy are indistinguishable from the Jewish rabble in Christ's day. The fact that most Adventists are equally disinterested in justice and truth as the Jewish church, as confirmed by the Jewish-Adventist parallels, proves that most Adventists are just as culpable as they were.

by **Eugene Shubert** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:37 am

Sincerely wrote:Shubee-------Accusations!!! without any proof!!!

You, like virtually all Seventh-day Adventists, refuse to investigate the proof of being thoroughly Laodicean.

Eugene Shubert wrote:most Catholics blamed the victims

I learned that fact from a Catholic nun that I've worked with a few years ago. The Catholics don't blame the children. The overwhelming majority blame the children for growing up and still having deep scars of emotional trauma, not forgiving the abusers and wanting them removed. Can you prove that the nun lied to me?

Eugene Shubert wrote:The lesson in all this is that Adventists that have unquestioning faith in the presumed righteousness of the Adventist hierarchy are indistinguishable from the faith of the Jewish rabble in Christ's day.

That's a logical conclusion from the Jewish-Adventist parallels that God gave to Ellen G. White. But obviously my retelling of Ellen White's revelation isn't welcome because Ellen White is an offense to Laodiceans.

Eugene Shubert wrote:The fact that most Adventists are equally disinterested in justice and truth as the Jewish church, as confirmed by the Jewish-Adventist parallels, proves that most Adventists are just as culpable as they were.

This again follows from the Jewish-Adventist parallels that God gave to Ellen G. White. But note that my whole argument was totally dismissed as if it contained no logic whatsoever. That was and is the first century Jewish/modern Adventist response. For an illustration of this, see Opposing the Example of Jesus and Reporting a Church Disturbance.

Eugene Shubert wrote:I learned that fact from a Catholic nun that I've worked with a few years ago. The Catholics don't blame the children. The overwhelming majority blame the children for growing up and still having deep scars of emotional trauma, not forgiving the abusers and wanting them removed. Can you prove that the nun lied to me?

That and the musical pedophile shuffle makes that whole organization corrupt and deserving of God's wrath. I believe that's a logical conclusion.

by **Eugene Shubert** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:21 am

spudette wrote:The original question was not whether the SDA church is corrupt or not, All churches, being human organizations, are imperfect.

I wasn't arguing that the Seventh-day Adventist church is corrupt. Ellen White wrote: "If the church of God becomes lukewarm, it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird." The church at Laodicea was obviously lukewarm (Rev. 3:14-22). Didn't Ellen White believe that "The message to the Laodicean church reveals our condition as a people" (RH Dec. 15, 1904)?

spudette wrote:The question was, why only the SDA church gets bashed. It is a valid question.

It's a stupid question. Furthermore, only the incredibly naive could believe that only the SDA church gets bashed. I believe it's reasonable to conclude that Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics and all the churches of the word of faith movement get bashed more than Seventh-day Adventists.

spudette wrote:No other church gets bashed as the SDA church does.

It could be that Satan is more actively at work behind the bashing of the Adventist church because of the great light that God gave to the church through Ellen G. White. However, my complaint is the Laodicean blindness of those Adventists that ignorantly dismiss all arguments from God and Satan against Seventh-day Adventist pride and self-righteousness.

by **Eugene Shubert** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:40 pm

teresaq wrote:I spent decades being angry with the church and its pride and self-righteousness but how did that make my life better? or the church?

Your anger is not the issue. Also, my comfort, your comfort and the comfort of the church on this earth is not my goal. There are only two choices:

"I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." 2 Timothy 4:1-2.

"Satan has laid every measure possible that nothing shall come among us as a people to reprove and rebuke us, and exhort us to put away our errors." Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 411.

If you don't want to obey the gospel and only want to feel good and have success in this life, then you should seek to join Joel Osteen's church.

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