The Confessing Millerite Adventist

I have copied my testimonies to tall73 here from another forum because the forum police over there deleted the 6th post.

tall73 wrote:So here is the question. Did the church knowingly promote acceptance of pluralism during the years following the Ford and Rea crises? Is it the plan of the church leadership to allow very divergent views?

When you were an Adventist pastor, you were willing to accept the spiritualism of A. Graham Maxwell, with the excuse that it has tremendous support from the writings of Ellen G. White. You also agreed to be silent about church sanctioned abuse and popery.

I think that you should first explain your own tacit approval of very divergent views when you were an Adventist pastor before you call on the whole Adventist church to defend their divergent policies.

tall73 wrote:I was not into Maxwell at all and have not read his materials.

"If a brother is teaching error, those who are in responsible positions ought to know it; and if he is teaching truth, they ought to take their stand at his side. We should all know what is being taught among us; for if it is truth, we need it. We are all under obligation to God to know what He sends us." Ellen G. White, Counsels to Writers and Editors, p. 43.

From your posts at http://everythingimportant.org/SDA, it seems that you were aware of the moral influence heresy in the church when you were a pastor and that you gave your own testimony against Maxwell:

http://everythingimportant.org/SDA/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=996
http://everythingimportant.org/SDA/viewtopic.php?p=3613#p3613

You obviously knew about this heresy in 2005 but were "not willing to take a bold and unyielding stand for the truth and to sacrifice for God and His cause." EW 50. Now you've been shaken out and you don't believe that there is any connection?

tall73 wrote:Nor had I heard of your case of popery in the church.

You have a total of 96 posts at http://everythingimportant.org/SDA/ and you're telling me that you never noticed the agenda and unique gospel of that Reformed-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum?

tall73 wrote:I know you want to think that every church leader in the denomination was in on a conspiracy but it just wasn't so.

Does Satan have to literally appear before you and tempt you to exchange your soul for the world? I think not. Through cowardice, you can explicitly obey Satan's will by just following your own natural impulses.

You still believe that Adventist spiritualism is not a weighty issue

tall73,

You failed to grasp my answer. You asked, "Why does the church allow pluralism?" I answered by saying, "I think that you should first explain your own tacit approval of very divergent views when you were an Adventist pastor before you call on the whole Adventist church to defend their divergent policies."

Permit me to clarify that.

True representatives of God say, "I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." 2 Timothy 4:1-2.

Satan's will, as expressed by you, states the exact opposite. Consider your avoidance of weighty issues on this forum. According to Ellen G. White: "Satan has laid every measure possible that nothing shall come among us as a people to reprove and rebuke us, and exhort us to put away our errors." That's the side you are on. That's where most of the weight of your influence rests.

There are at least a few Seventh-day Adventist forums that provide plenty of opportunities to fulfill the Manifesto of Reform-Minded Seventh-day Adventists. One of my favorites principles of reform says, "While we will endeavor to keep the 'unity of the Spirit' in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry" (1888 pp. 356-357).

You obviously don't believe in reform. You had plenty of opportunities to reprove Maxwellian spiritualists and their sympathizers on this forum. I'm thinking of RC_NewProtestants in particular. Instead, you embrace him with a warm camaraderie.

You are also sadly mistaken to think that the bigotry that controls the Richardson Seventh-day Adventist church is no longer an issue. If their bigotry and apostasy was cited often enough as an example of Adventist popery and spiritualism, then they might see their sin and be urged to repent. But as it is, because you still refuse to abandon your idols and to see your own cowardice and God's requirement for action on critical issues for the benefit of Christians everywhere, then I rejoice over you being shaken out of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

Will God accept your loving approval of spiritualism?

tall73 wrote:One thing that you have pointed out is true. While the church allows many different voices, yours apparently wasn't one of them. In fact, given that they also took off the kid gloves with the conservative groups that put up the papacy billboards, it looks like conservatives are in more danger than liberals.

I think you're skirting the issues with bogus labels. Instead of the designations often called conservatives and liberals, I prefer to categorize those two groups Biblically as the Pharisees and the Sadducees. It's obvious that the Sadducees are very unbelieving and that the atheistic class in the Seventh-day Adventist church is just a lighter shade of the very secular Sadducees. In that light, the Sadducees are in greater danger than the Pharisees. The Bible doesn't mention even one Sadducee that came to believe in Jesus but it does say plainly that many Pharisees were converted to Jesus' cause. Consequently, your reasoning is flawed. It's virtually certain that most Sadducees will be lost but there is some hope for Pharisees.

tall73 wrote:They even let this guy stay in so far, who is an atheist:
http://culturaladventist.blogspot.com/s ... 0Interview

I see no great relevance in the magnitude of unbelief, either yours or that of the Adventist atheist. If you don't have saving faith, then you're not going to pass God's standard in the final judgment (Matthew 25:14-46).

"If you are willing to drift along with the current of evil, and do not cooperate with the heavenly agencies in restraining transgression in your family, and in the church, in order that everlasting righteousness may be brought in, you do not have faith." RH, Nov. 1, 1892.

"If one neglects the duty Christ has enjoined, of trying to restore those who are in error and sin, he becomes a partaker in the sin. For evils that we might have checked, we are just as responsible as if we were guilty of the acts ourselves." DA 441.

The Word of God says: "Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt." Lev. 19:17. NIV.

tall73 wrote:One thing that you have pointed out is true. While the church allows many different voices, yours apparently wasn't one of them.

Naturally. Since Seventh-day Adventists tolerate Maxwellian spiritualism, it makes perfect sense that my godly doctrines are despised and rejected.

tall73 wrote:You appear to want the entire Adventist church to champion your issue and your treatment by your church, and if they do not then they are apostate.

The church is apostate for refusing to act on the truth that they profess to respect and being very believing of a lie, which is your problem.

Do I have authorization from God to oppose the doctrine of demons?

Jesus said, "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves." John 14:11. (New International Version).

My testimonies are also backed by miracles. God has given me indisputable new light that answers the greatest theological riddles in Adventism: Daniel, Revelation (3 scenarios, the 3 angels' messages, 7 churches, 666 and the Investigative Judgment), the human nature of Christ and the nature of the Godhead.

The joke, of course, is that you think that I need some sort of specific authorization from God to oppose the doctrine of demons.

What's the true reason for your astounding conversion?

tall73 wrote:You continue to accuse everyone in the Adventist church of being apostate

That's an absurd accusation. I have never known any member of the Adventist church that I believed was saved and to later note or witness their obvious departure from the faith.

tall73 wrote:your trumped up issue

That's an extremely ridiculous lie. Not only has Ministry Magazine published an article critical of Adventist moral influence theory, you yourself have once testified of the supernatural darkness of those who believe in A-m.i.th.

http://everythingimportant.org/SDA/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1155
http://everythingimportant.org/SDA/viewtopic.php?p=3613#p3613

Why the change of heart? I accept Ellen G. White's explanation as truly inspired:

"If those who have had great light have not corresponding faith and obedience, they soon become leavened with the prevailing apostasy; another spirit controls them. While they have been exalted to heaven in point of opportunities and privileges, they are in a worse condition than the most zealous advocates of error." GCDB, Feb. 6, 1893, 170-171.

tall73 wrote:And though you claim to have new light on the IJ you say we are not worthy of it.

That is correct. I would love to prove my revelation knowledge on the Investigative Judgment but the Spirit constrains me. I apply the following Scripture to you.

Some of the elders of Israel came to me and sat down in front of me. Then the word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all? Therefore speak to them and tell them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When any Israelite sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet, I the LORD will answer him myself in keeping with his great idolatry. I will do this to recapture the hearts of the people of Israel, who have all deserted me for their idols.'

"Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!

" 'When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet to inquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself. I will set my face against that man and make him an example and a byword. I will cut him off from my people. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

" 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' " Ezekiel 14:1-11. (New International Version).

tall73 wrote:I would address your points Eugene, and there are things I would like to say regarding them, but really, I meant it, I am done taking you seriously.

Please do not entertain the notion that I am talking to you. It is the LORD Himself that answered you in keeping with your great idolatry.