The spirit of Wayne Bent

Azaniah · fanatical cultist Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 1

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

Did Father snatch Jesus' body? Those who have not given their bodies over to Him to be used as He wills, will never know. They will know another spirit. It is the same spirit that tried to do the work of Jesus in freeing the world of it's sin.

The parables that Father has written in the Scriptures cannot be broken, and are being fulfilled again at this present time in the events now occurring. When Jesus, the Christ, came there was one who attempted to stand up in His place. This one, Barabbas, whose name means "to stand up," thought that he was defending the truth of the nation, and God, but his end came because he never "saw" who Christ was. He had his own earthly plan for freeing the people from the tyranny of a foreign oppressor, and those people chose to help him save his life, by crucifying the One who was sent to free them from the tyranny of their earthly selves. They couldn't see that the oppressor wasn't "out there" but was only a mirror of their own unregenerate hearts.

Solomon, how I have longed for you to really be Solomon, which means "well, happy, prosperous." I know you well, for your flesh is exactly the same as mine. I know you well, because I have lived with you and your "wife." Many times and in various ways you expressed your displeasure with that wife that Father had given you, and also with the One who could deliver you from the tyranny of your human relationship with her. Because you perceive Him as your enemy all you can hear from Him is lies, when the truth is what He has always told you. Your adultery during that relationship is common knowledge to all in the land of Travesser who knew you before you left, as well as to Moigboi. Once, Father gave you the unction and opportunity to flee from your self and it's dysfunctional bondage to that relationship; (remember the clothes he provided, if you had just followed the unction and left naked?) Oh, that you could be naked and unashamed! But you have covered yourself with your own garment of righteousness, which you quote vehemently now, but then (in your bondage of an earthly marriage) you liked more to quote another guru, but he wasn't enough for you either. He told you "you are the world, you created it all."

I don't bring up your adultery as a condemnation because you are forgiven. I know, being an adulterer in my flesh just like you and all other flesh, that adultery is what Father provided the forgiveness of, and escape from, in the parable of the Consummation. The irony of it all is that in your attempt to repent and remarry your earthly spouse, the revelation of the Woman clothed with the Sun (Son) and the moon at her feet was revealed. In that ceremony the heavenly marriage was shown to us clearly for the first time. How little any of us understood the import of what was being said then. Solomon, if you could only look at the serpent, this seemingly adulterous consummation, with the eyes of the Spirit, you would be healed. I know you can't, but your true Husband has given those eyes to all who will ask and receive. But you remain Barabbas.

Solomon · babble buster Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 22

The following is a letter I received as an email. I felt that it would be good to post my response here, seeing that it is a response to something I posted on the forum.

"Dear Tim,
It came to me to share something with you about the consummation that you may not have known. It may help you to understand that the two women who were anointed to become the two witnesses, were not taken from their husbands. I know the way you wrote it was that Wayne took the wives of two other men. Actually, both left their homes a good time before there was any inkling of a literal, physical consummation. Even after the inkling of that possibility came to them, neither they nor Michael intimated anything of it to the husbands. Then, one day within a few hours of each other, both husbands were led to actually GIVE their wives to Michael. Pretty outrageous, and unheard of in the world, to give your wife to another, hoping for nothing in return. They hadn't talked with each other or anyone else about it, and there they showed up at Michael's door, within hours of each other. Their testimonies of being led to do this outrageous thing are quite powerful. They are both on the movie, and both have written of it.

Well, that's all.
Kathy "

Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. I was there when these women had left their husbands and at the first the husbands resisted their leaving, but as normal, when their protest went unheard they submitted themselves to the wishes of their wives. What else were they to do? They couldn't force their wives to remain with them. That would have been wrong. These women left when Wayne one day got up and said that the only husband the women have now is God. I know these two "witnesses" and the other women who left; they were not happy with their marriages and Wayne just gave them a "holy" excuse to leave their husbands. It had to look like an act of holiness otherwise they would not have left their husbands. I got up in church one day and challenged Wayne to show me in scripture where it is written that women could put away their husbands, but the response that I got was from one of the "Witnesses" husband, who said in response, that his wife had not left him, that they were closer now than ever before. Well what was the fruit? She ended up in bed with Wayne and if that isn't putting away your husband, nothing is.

"I know the way you wrote it was that Wayne took the wives of two other men. Actually, both left their homes a good time before there was any inkling of a literal, physical consummation."

Actually there was an inkling of the adultery that was to be committed later. I had an inkling of it, the very day Wayne told me to get off the property when I told him he had went over the edge. I ask Vicky and John to call me when Wayne began to sleep with the wives in the church (it was the natural next step and I feared for my own wife's welfare). Vicky said she would call me but it would be "from a pay phone", meaning that, if he did such a thing she would be the first to leave the church property. At least that is how I took the "pay phone" statement, but she never did call me nor did she leave. After six months I guess he had been able to convince everyone there he was no longer Wayne Bent and therefore Wayne never did sleep with these women. I know that is how they see it, but that still doesn't make it any less adultery, just because they choose to believe lies.

“Even after the inkling of that possibility came to them, neither they nor Michael intimated anything of it to the husbands. Then, one day within a few hours of each other, both husbands were led to actually GIVE their wives to Michael. Pretty outrageous, and unheard of in the world, to give your wife to another, hoping for nothing in return. They hadn't talked with each other or anyone else about it, and there they showed up at Michael's door, within hours of each other.”

This is the sign they give as proof that God had ordained these acts of adultery. I don’t buy it. It would do well to realize that these people live within a few feet of each other. Anyone who has live in a small town knows how quick gossip gets around and this group isn’t anything near the size of a small town. Don’t think they don’t gossip. I know they do, although it tends to be looked upon as holy gossip. Therefore I cannot believe these “husbands” did not have any type of “intimations” concerning their wives coveting after Wayne and Wayne desire for them as well. These women chase Wayne around like dogs in heat. One woman, while I was still there, showed up in Wayne’s bedroom around two in the morning. Many of the other women looked silly the way they acted toward him. No man could have women acting like these women were acting and not get ideas. Then to say these ideas came from God. Please! This consummation they keep proclaiming is just lust fulfilling itself. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps the husbands hadn’t agreed to go together to Wayne’s but that is about as much as I can give them as far as believing they hadn’t had any communication concerning it with one another.
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Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.

narscissa · Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 38

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bethabara · fanatical cultist Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 4

Could you possibly imagine that there might actually exist a truly righteous man? One who through an excruciating process was really and truly brought to the end of himself and delivered from the lusts of the flesh, to never act out of them, not once? Could you possibly believe that what all “Christians” claim to seek after, could actually happen? And could you believe that such a man could be anointed (“Messiah-ed”) and given instruction from God to do what was done here in this land, as a sign to the earth of what the Marriage to God really is? God has worked this way before.

Tim, you know nothing of what actually occurred. You think you do, but all you have is what your own mind and reasoning have done with what you saw in the beginning and what you have heard from people whose lives are not godly. Jesus’ cross was a literal, physical event, a real sacrifice of the Lamb of God, that showed forth to the world the spiritual reality of God’s atonement for sin. Would there not be a literal, physical event at the Second Coming -- a real marriage -- to show forth the great spiritual reality of the Marriage of the Lamb? The cross stumbled and offended many in that day. Why would the Marriage be any different?

You did know the two women who participated in that event, for 11 years. You know well that they were not carnally-minded women. You know all these people; you have called them “family,” and we have called you so. You know it is not a “sinful messiah” they have wanted, and our hearts have yearned for, to deliver us from ourselves.

Isaiah walked naked for three years. Hosea married a whore. Both of these things were against the law. God instructed Moses to kill 3,000 idolators. The sword went into the bodies and they fell down dead. But you have said yourself, not all killing is murder. The children of Israel were instructed to take the land that belonged to the Canaanites. So all taking of what another sees as their “possession” must not be stealing. Those things being true, all intimate relationships must not be adultery. The bottom line is always the same, no matter how “wrong” something may look: is it done from one’s own self desires or by instruction from God? That is the question. But any person who is still controlled by their own minds and lusts cannot possibly see that such an act could be carried out by someone not acting from their own flesh. We can only judge others by what is in ourselves.

Our time together in this family from the beginning has always been about discerning the Spirit of God when He moves. He has always disguised Himself in little pieces of paper to carry in one’s pocket to morning meetings, or piling rocks on top of each other to make a “sanctuary,” or a bastard child born in a barn who violated the Sabbath. Those who could be offended saw only people piling rocks, or little pieces of paper, or a poor bastard carpenter, and one by one they went away. When one can be offended, they lay themselves open to lying spirits.

But when nothing can offend one, they recognize and follow the Spirit of God, and are transformed. That is what has come to the people here, whom you have called “dogs in heat.” The men were as drawn to the One who lives in Wayne as the women were; does that make them homosexuals? Or were they all people who were beginning to be broken open to their great, deep need, and to see with their spirit that One Who could deliver them was here? What if in their spirits they really did recognize the coming of the One who could set them free? And what if one word, one look, one touch from this man, really has healed those who could receive it?

I bear witness, that is what has come. It has come to all who have searched for it with all their hearts. He has breathed His Holy Spirit on all who have believed, and they have received it just as Wayne did. But all the tribes of the earth will mourn because this thing has happened.

Dear Saul, when you can see how offended you are, and that it’s really God you are offended with, you will be able to hear and receive these things.
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"If this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought; but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it." Acts 5:38-39

moigboi · fanatical cultist Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 21

I had not noticed this new thread until now. A lot of interest here, as there should be. I posted on the other thread, so if you would please read that post, I have a couple questions if you don't mind. Also, on talking to Tim about this, he mentioned that "Wayne" had told him that the historical Jesus of Nazareth was dead and lying in a tomb somewhere. Would you please confirm or deny this?
I see that you could see the above as a trap or something to "get you". I can assure you it is not. I am just trying to find out more of the nature of your belief. Surely a confirmation of the above would turn some people off; if you think that is too big a chunk to feed at first (as per the Bible) I can see it.
I see you as right about a lot, and the spirit that motivates many is not love. What stumbles them, however, is often a doubt as to whether YOU are acting out of that spirit.

Adam · fanatical cultist Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 13

moigboi · fanatical cultist Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 21

To be plainer: did Wayne say that? And, do you believe that the physical body of Jesus is in some grave somewhere? This is important to me because Tim said that he said that, and I do not know him to lie. As for me, it does not matter about the physical body. I am trying to find out what you believe: is it that Jesus, and by Jesus I mean the physical man Jesus, rose into "heaven", or is it that only His spirit rose? What is it you believe here?

Solomon · babble buster Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 22

"Could you possibly imagine that there might actually exist a truly righteous man? One who through an excruciating process was really and truly brought to the end of himself and delivered from the lusts of the flesh, to never act out of them, not once? Could you possibly believe that what all “Christians” claim to seek after, could actually happen?"

Yes.

"And could you believe that such a man could be anointed (“Messiah-ed”) and given instruction from God to do what was done here in this land, as a sign to the earth of what the Marriage to God really is?"

No.

"Jesus’ cross was a literal, physical event, a real sacrifice of the Lamb of God, that showed forth to the world the spiritual reality of God’s atonement for sin. Would there not be a literal, physical event at the Second Coming -- a real marriage -- to show forth the great spiritual reality of the Marriage of the Lamb? The cross stumbled and offended many in that day. Why would the Marriage be any different?"

There is a great difference between what Jesus did and what Wayne has done. The difference is, Jesus’ cross was not an act of sin on his part; they crucified a man who was innocent of any wrong doing in actual fact; but Wayne's so-called cross/marriage was an act of sin, the act of adultery. If Jesus had sinned in any fashion then his death upon the cross would have been justified. He would not been called the spotless Lamb of God and he could not have borne our sins upon the cross because he would've already had his own to bear. Also it is written that when Messiah returns he shall return the second time without sin. Could it be possible when the angels said -

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

- they meant that he went into heaven without sin and therefore shall also come again without sin? That that would be the sign that the real Christ has returned? That would make as much sense as the things you people have stated thus far.

"You did know the two women who participated in that event, for 11 years. You know well that they were not carnally-minded women."

The very fact that they put away their husbands and then slept with Wayne proves they are carnally-minded women. The very fact the Wayne slept with them proves that Wayne is not a righteous man. The Marriage of the Lamb is not a thing acted out in the flesh, but if it is was meant to be, there were plenty of single and widowed women there on the property to choose from. Why the wives of other men? Simply because these women and Wayne lusted for each other. I was there and I did not blind my eyes to the fact that Wayne was just an erring human like the rest of us. But you folks have blinded your eyes to his humanity because you are desperate people who were willing to believe anything you thought might save your souls, even lies. What I was blinded to was the fact that most of the people there were already worshipping Wayne as a god. I was blinded to it because I wanted so badly to believe that we were all brethren, and that Wayne was just another member of the Church. Time and again I reproved people there for saying Wayne was our leader like Moses of old. Christ alone is the head of the Church. Even when Moses lead the people through the wilderness it was Christ that led them not Moses. There is but one God- God the Father, and one Lord - the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Church "are all brethren" as Jesus commanded us.

You say I know nothing, but the truth is I know more than you realize. The above that I wrote, God revealed to me. I have spent the last three and half years searching my soul, asking God to reveal my errors, my “self“. I wanted to know if I was wrong about Wayne and the things going on there. I missed you and the others so much I wanted to be wrong, but God has only convinced me more and more that the things going on there are not of Him. You folks have stated many truths. I agree with them all, but as far as that sinful man being Christ, that I do not believe. Not because I haven't wanted to believe, I have, but because God has shown me Wayne is not who he says he is. I have presented many things as evidence to that effect. Things from scripture and things from my own experience with all of you there. Here are some more evidences Wayne is not Christ. Personal things that I have not shared lest people would have said "he bears witness of himself" or take it out of context, but here goes.

Wayne says he knows he is Messiah because one day he was sitting in his trailer or something, not thinking about anything particular when God spoke to him and said he was Messiah. Well, you mentioned our time at Castle Dome. I was there sitting in our trailer thinking nothing particular when God spoke to me as well and said I was Messiah. But instead of running out and telling everyone that they had to worship me or go to hell as Wayne did, I ask Him what He meant. He said that I was a doorway through which people could come to Him. That I am my brothers keeper by keeping myself in His ways. That by walking in His ways I am savior unto life to all that I meet in a day. It doesn't mean, as Wayne has tried to make out, that I am now "The Christ". This is something that is true for all people.

Also at Castle Dome I was standing on a hill over looking the Church camp there when the Lord spoke to me and said there before me was my true bride. That I was married to all the people there, men and women alike. But I didn't run down and pick out some of the best looking women to have sex with, like Wayne did, because God explained to me that even though I was married to everyone there, Kathy was still my physical wife. God told me that when He enters into a man who is a husband of a wife that He, God, now becomes the husband of that wife. If He enters into a woman who has a husband He then becomes the wife of that man through the vessel of this woman. He does not seek to be loose from the spouse. If He enters into a single person, He does not seek to be married. He will remain single. Paul spoke of these things.

"1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

Another sign (a sign to me at least) is that in the morning of the very day that Wayne proclaimed himself messiah; I was walking and talking to God when he spoke to me (because of something I had asked) and said to me in answer to that question, that I was a prophet. That very evening Wayne came down to where we all were, and the first things out of his mouth was, "There are no more prophets in the land for I am now Messiah." It is just another personal experience that shows to me that Wayne is not "The Christ".

Wayne later accuse me of calling him a fool because of something I said but I was not calling him a fool. If he had truly been Christ he would have known that. When I told him that I was not calling him a fool he said he could not read my thoughts or know my motives but could only judge me by my actions. Is this Christ? Isn’t it written that Jesus knew the thoughts of those around him? I write these things knowing it will do no good as far as you and the others are concerned. If the Holy Bible doesn’t touch you how can my personal experience touch you?

“The men were as drawn to the One who lives in Wayne as the women were; does that make them homosexuals? “

If they bowed themselves down to Wayne as those two women did then yes they are homosexuals.

“But when nothing can offend one, they recognize and follow the Spirit of God, and are transformed. That is what has come to the people here, whom you have called “dogs in heat.”

One of the lies that is being presented is that if one is offended then he is not of God. If this is true why do the scriptures tell us to be careful not to offend our brethren. In fact in one place Paul says,

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

But instead of this, when I said that my wife’s going over alone to Wayne’s trailer late at night was a stumbling block to me, I was told that if I was stumbled by it, it only proved I was not a brother. Where as the scriptures say,

1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

No, Kathy, it isn’t that when one can be offended they lay themselves open to lying spirits. It is when one begins to make assumptions about things in the scriptures, that go against the scriptures, that one opens oneself to lying spirits. Which is what you and the others have done.

Kathy, I still refuse to call evil good and good evil.
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Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.

Adam · fanatical cultist Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 13

Matthew · babble buster Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

Adam · fanatical cultist Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 13

Matthew,

The modern christian has little ability to understand that Jesus was a "self proclaimed" Messiah as well.

Did he not say "I am the Way the Truth and the Life"?

moigboi · fanatical cultist Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 21

Tim states that Wayne said that Jesus' body is lying in a grave somewhere. Adam, you say Wayne did not say that. This is the first plain and simple contradiction I have seen here.
You are certainly all right about one thing--the only one who can settle this is God, in prayer.

Solomon · babble buster Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 22

“Wayne did not say that either.”

Adam, how can you know what Wayne did, or did not tell me in private? For Wayne said these things one evening in a private conversation in which he tried to convince me he was the Christ. It doesn’t surprise me that he perhaps has not told this to anyone else. Such a statement would certainly bring up some questions since John the Beloved said…

1 Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Notice here that John said Jesus is the Christ not just a Christ. This statement was made after the death of Jesus upon the cross. Also…

1 Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The man Christ Jesus is the only mediator between God and men. No Waynes or Michaels or any one else for that matter.
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Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.