A Forum for Everything Important    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is Eugene Shubert Trinitarian or Non Trinitarian?           Forum Index -> Subtle Misunderstanding View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message 3AngelsMom Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 15 Location: San Diego California USA Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:31 pm    Post subject: So Eugene, would you consider yourself Trinitarian or Non Trinitarian? God Bless _________________ Why do we always laugh at things that aren't funny? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:54 pm    Post subject: Am I Trinitarian or Non Trinitarian? Hi 3AngelsMom, I can’t label myself a non-Trinitarian because every non-Trinitarian I know of either denies the Divinity of Jesus or the Personhood of the Third Person of the Godhead, or both. I accept both. Likewise, I shouldn’t label myself a Trinitarian because every Trinitarian I know insists on describing God in a language that I believe is decidedly misleading and unbiblical. How would you classify the theological position of my web page: www.everythingimportant.org/Godhead? Back to top   '); //--> 3AngelsMom Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 15 Location: San Diego California USA Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:19 am    Post subject: Eugene, Sorry for not responding sooner, for some reason I am not receiving post indicators! I went over your site, and from what I can tell, to be honest with you, you want to have your cake and eat it to! Not in a bad way though! I have the same problem. What do we call ourselves? We believe that God is the One True God, and that He is the Most High God, but that Jesus, by merit of His inheritance from God, is also deity. But we don't have TWO Gods! You don't appear to be trinitarian, but you aren't Arian for sure. I have been told I am semi-Arian. We don't believe the trinity, but we do believe in the diety of Christ. God Bless, Kelly _________________ Why do we always laugh at things that aren't funny? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:28 pm    Post subject: 3AngelsMom wrote: We believe that God is the One True God, and that He is the Most High God, but that Jesus, by merit of His inheritance from God, is also deity. Kelly, Jesus didn’t inherit His deity. Back to top   '); //--> 3AngelsMom Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 15 Location: San Diego California USA Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:28 am    Post subject: Eugene, If you believe that Jesus has life in Himself that is derived from Himself, then you are in the trinitarian camp! What I believe, and I am COMPLETELY NON TRINITARIAN, is that the life that is in Christ is from God. Therefore, by merit of His literal Sonship by the Father, and I don't mean with Mary, He is diety because He is the SON of God. He is not 'a god', nor is He the ONE True God. He is diety, by merit of inheritance through His Father. Just as a Prince one day becomes a King, so did He. God Bless, Kelly _________________ Why do we always laugh at things that aren't funny? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:04 am    Post subject: And your evidence is, what? Kelly, Jesus acknowledged the Father as the source of his life: Quote: Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. John 6:57. How do you know that this life dependence isn’t atonement related? Didn’t Jesus speak the words “I live” in the present tense? If your belief is Biblical, you then need a Scripture reference that teaches that Jesus inherited His deity before the incarnation. If there are references, please cite the ones that you believe are the clearest and most undeniable. 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