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How can adultery be an act of Righteousness? What is your explanation of that? Reading this thread as something of an "outsider", I can honestly say that it does appear that are you dodging questions. Even if you have answered Solomon elsewhere, I would encourage you to post your answers here, that those who stumble on this thread aren't left with the impression that you are dodging the questions.
For me, I have been called to do things as contrary to what the scriptures literally say. For one big thing, I had to dishonor my mother and father. I had to do it, else, I would not escape the web of lies that they had built their lives on. It was righteousness that I did so and now today, my mom agrees. It opened her eyes. At the time I did it, I did not want to. I was scared of the commandment "honor thy father and they mother", but I was obediant to the Spirit of Truth, and not to the letter of the law(for the law is powerless to save), and the result has been that I am freed from the cycles of violence, lies, perversion, and mind games that defined my family for at least 2 generations. And not just me, but my mom is being freed also.
For this reason, I reject organized religions that thump laws and scriptures and attempt to hold me up to it. I will take the Spirit of Truth any day, over a million bibles. Because really, one can know the Truth by the Spirit of Truth without the Bible(how many people in the bible repented because of the bible?), but one can not know the Truth without it, even if one has a bible.
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:44 am Post subject: Solomon
Tim Bowman, "Solomon"
Why are you so angry at Wayne still?
Those women you speak of were given a written divorcement.
And they also were given away as a gift.
There was no force or anything, and you were long gone by then, so what's your problem with it all?
You were afraid to die to yourself and quit owning Kathy is all and so you had to blame someone for your own problems.
you had lived by us and we worked with you and Kathy some.
And you still are having a grudge for nothing especially being gone now for over 3 years.
Tim you would think after 3 years you'd be free of all this and Kathy and stop venting your hate for something God has done. But what i see is God is working on your soul still.
It is too bad for you that you feel this way. But then when you leave Father that is what happens especially anyone who has been with us for as long as you were.
And if this wasn't the truth then why are you so angry. When one knows it is true they are convicted and they burn in hell.
One doesn't need proof to follow God. One only has to believe the words spoken and it is made flesh in your heart because it rings true to your inner most being. If one needs proof then you go by the law and you are not free in the Spirit as you inslave yourself to your own created hellish world of cause and effects from what you say and do.
You are 100% responsible for yourself and everyone else as they are you. When you look into the mirror who do you see, Tim Bowman or Michael? You can only believe what you want and everything else is your own making your own imagination of what you create in your mind.
When you see yourself as Michael then you can see eveyone else that way. When your focus is off yourself then you can let love come in and give it away, if you don't give love away you kill yourself Spiritually as True Love from Father is a gift and it has to be given away to be received again. Then is when you will see everyone else around you has changed too, because you were the one who changed.
I know this to be true because it is my own experience with my Family here on this Land in Michael and with Michael as well. I speak not a lie. He has brought healing to our Family only because we were willing. If you resist God you only get resistance back but it is with yourself you are resisting, because God does not fight nor force. You are who you are because you love it more then God, and refuse to bend the knee and and confess the truth and, so therefore you can only complain and lash your tongue and hate Father for loving you, so that you cause yourself to not be with him for Eternity. That's all God wants is you to love Him but you refuse to die to your own selfishness. This is what causes war and terrorisim. "I want my own way God and i am anger because i can not have it so", i will not have this person rule over me--That is what you tell God everyday.
You are a poor trapped soul Tim that needs to be broken open to Fathers love just let it happen and quit fight Father, let go and die.
We have loved you very much but it's too bad you haven't seen it. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself who am i really down deep.
Another thing in this is that man has used the bible as a weapon against God instead of being led by the spirit, it has been a good excuse to for them to keep their sins and want their own ways. So they need proof they say, one finds a way out when one want's one and then blames God for it. What a sad person to be trapped like that.
When bibles were no where a round how did one know God? They listened to that still small voice within them, it was the Spirit that drew them to Father, they never had bibles. Bibles are not wrong but they become law when one needs to be shown proof. I listen to Fathers instructions to my soul and heart and that is far more greater then any proof can give. I trust his word as it is in my mouth, it is who I AM, not who i was.
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I never called an act of adultery, righteousness. The consummation was ordained of God, therefore it is righteous. If you judge it as adultery, then there is nothing I can say to convince you against your will. Your questions, or anyone else's, will not convert one who has already cast their judgment. That is what I've been trying to convey to people all along. _________________ Isaiah 26:20-21
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: What is the doctrine of the consummation?
Fortitude Travesser wrote:
I never called an act of adultery, righteousness. The consummation was ordained of God, therefore it is righteous.
Fortitude, What is the doctrine of the consummation? Please define "the consummation" explicitly, so that everyone will see exactly what you mean. Who participates in the ritual? Exactly what was ordained? What does it mean? What is its purpose? Does it involve sex in any way, as understood by most humans?
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject: EVERYONE ONE WHO HAS POSTED IN HERE
Everything being said in here should not be said. As i sat here this morning i saw how you can not say a thing to the world inside of any soul who want's to remain in their darkness. No good intentions will help or convince anyone.
It just grieved my heart at everyone's venting of who is right and who is wrong. How is this up lifting to ones soul. It reminded me no more then a saturday sabbath school meeting a converted agruement you might call it.
When I posted what i said it came straight from Father, I never go into these sites as they are endless circles that can't be broken.
I read just a few paragraph's of Tim's and knew where he still was only far worse off.
I had no desire to say one word and was getting ready to click out when Father said: expose Tim to everyone. Father doesn't hide this is what Father told me, and Tims words are not of Father. This goes for Lloyd zigler as well.
So this is why i replied. I would say if anyone on here want's to know about Michael go to the site and Ask him yourself and read for yourselves.
I do not judge it any such way. I'm on the outside looking in, trying to understand. I do not know all the details. I apologize if it came off that way.
I was only trying to make you see how it looked from an outsiders perspective who happened on this thread. My judgement is meaningless anyway, as are all peoples judgement. In fact, I believe it is our judgement, vainly thinking we know right from wrong(believing we are like God), that has caused all the problems of humanity. When we say that we "see", or "know right from wrong", our guilt remains. But when we confess we our blind, we are forgiven and in that, our sight is restored. That is what I believe.
In humility, I offer you this sincerely.
Fortitude Travesser wrote:
Viridium,
I never called an act of adultery, righteousness. The consummation was ordained of God, therefore it is righteous. If you judge it as adultery, then there is nothing I can say to convince you against your will. Your questions, or anyone else's, will not convert one who has already cast their judgment. That is what I've been trying to convey to people all along.
Charity, I was deeply moved by your posts, and I feel a connection. However, how can one say that one has become Michael also, and then refuse to speak as Michael here, telling us instead to contact a person elsewhere?
Will you see this as me trying to trip you up, or will you see this as me trying to make you see how it looks to others? I don't know, but I know this. If the consumation means that we break up with all the things we have loved in life, and go to the bed of Christ, that we Love him alone, then I see nothing but beauty in this. Just as I see beauty in that we must bear the cross, that we are given to bear. That is, we must accept what life has given us, and follow the example of Christ. We must not call down fire, we must not seek to yell at those who crucify us, we must not lift an eye in scorn upon those who beat us and spit on us. But rather "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."
This last was a lesson that I learned the hardway and to be honest, some days I still learn it. I almost killed myself because of the tyranny of myself, and my concept of how my life ought to be, my resistance to my cross if you will. It was not until I accepted my life, as Christ accepts his cross, that I overcame the dark illusions I had made of my life.
Just as Christs death was not merely an act of redemption for the whole world(though it was, in every real way), but was also an exact picture of how that redemption is realized by everyone, so too can I see that something called the consumation, could be an exact picture, of what we all must do.
But emotions have run high, and everyone seeks the moral high ground, instead of humbling themselves and accepting the insults(done out of ignorance) that we hurl at each other. This can not be if His Kingdom is to prevail. It's why I renounced the churches, and refuse to go back. This is ourselves we are snubbing when we do this to each other. This is Christ whom we hurl accusations at, when we hurl accusations at each other. That is what is meant when we say He is All in All.
It's sad to me that people can claim to have Christ(or Michael, if that is their word for Christ), and then tell us to go talk to some guy named Michael. It's also sad to me that "Christians" do the same thing, only they tell people to read the bible, or they quote the bible out of context, and ignore any other verse that may contradict their out of context quote.
But I understand why this is done, how can I judge? For I too, have done these things, and indeed, it is me that does them when others do it, for we are One.
“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
How did Abram (Abraham as he liked to call himself) demonstrate this act of righteousness? It was by obeying the command of God to his heart. It was to go out on a hill and do just what the pagans had been doing for ages. It was to go and murder his most cherished son on a cold stone altar. Yes, in reality that child was murdered, for the knife was coming down in full force, and was only stopped by the angel of mercy.
Righteousness, on Abram’s part was to do the unthinkable. I wonder what the neighbors thought of his actions? I wonder what the church members thought of his actions? What would everyone have thought if in God’s wisdom, He chose not to have stopped this test of Abram’s allegience. It is in retrospect, with the illumination of the Old and New Testament scriptures that his act of obedience appears to have been a noble act. What would it have been like to have been there? Would we have thought that Abram was just hearing voices? Would we have called him a deluded dreamer?
It is following the voice of the Lord, regardless of the cost, that becomes righteousness to each soul.
It is following the voice of the Lord, regardless of the cost, that becomes righteousness to each soul.
Adam
Hi Adam,
I agree, totally!
I'm reminded of when Peter was told to eat "unclean" things. The law was clear, but had he given more authority to scripture, than to the unction of the Spirit, what would have happened? He would have fulfilled the letter of the law, and failed in the Spirit of it. He would have been obediant to the scripture, at the cost of being disobediant to God.
The scripture was clear about what not to eat, but there was God telling him to eat those things, in direct conflict with what the scripture said.
I don't really understand entirely everything that went on that Solomon is so angry about, but I understand what is being said. Interesting. Yes, I'm starting to see why Charity and Fortitude think it is futile. These people have their Bible, and nothing you can say, or point out, or reason with them, will get them to enter in to the truth about God. Although, I still am a little put off by the deference to another called Michael. I always believed Christ would return in His people, and not just one of them.
I have know the gentleman that goes by the name of Solomon for over 15 years. I had spent plenty of time with him over the years. I have seen and heard his heart’s cry. I could give you the reasons for his attitude as I have observed them, but that would not change anyone's heart. Suffice it to say, that God’s children are One. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They do not tire of following Him, and find no fault in Him. They follow the voice of the Father even when the going gets rough or when they don’t understand what God is doing.
The spirit of antichrist however, finds subtle little things to bring before the angels, suggesting that life isn’t quite right. After the Frowning One makes his insinuations, the big bright angels might think that they are not getting enough attention from God. Pretty soon, those who have been in heaven, start thinking that God is just a little bit unfair. That is all that it took in the beginning. That is all that it takes today.
The Solomon in the old testament did not have a reason to lose his mind for part of his life, but he did. It is my sincere hope that our friend will come to his right mind as the Solomon of old did. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t.
Regarding your reference to Michael, let me put the situation in a different way. Picture yourself alive 2000 years ago as one of Jesus’ disciples. Now imagine people asking you questions about some comment that Jesus made about having to go to the cross. Would you begin to explain what you think he was referring to, or would you suggest to the person that they could ask Jesus about it for themselves?
You spoke about how the Christ would return. Your references to Peter’s revelations are quite pertinent. Things rarely turn out the way we think they will. Only those who have no agenda for God, will find the rungs on Jacob's ladder.
Adam
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: Response to Charity (Michael as Christ)
“Why are you so angry at Wayne still?
Those women you speak of were given a written divorcement.
And they also were given away as a gift.
There was no force or anything, and you were long gone by then, so what's your problem with it all?”
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Two wrongs don’t make a right Charity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
People here keep saying my actions on this site are acts of hatred when I am really trying to get you folks there with Wayne to wake up to the truth that sin in not righteousness. The scriptures are very plain concerning this. What my beef with Wayne is, is that he claims to be something he is not. I lived there, I know him and have seen him in action. Even after he claimed to be Christ I heard him say things that were untrue. Is this Christ? Did Jesus ever say anything untrue? And how are we to know what Jesus has said or desires for that matter, if we are to throw out the Bible as untrue or invalid. Wayne say one day concerning the Bible that it was not the word of God. He had to say that before he could claim what he claims because the Holy Scriptures is what condemns his actions not me. If the scriptures did not, nor would I.
“Tim you would think after 3 years you'd be free of all this and Kathy and stop venting your hate for something God has done. But what i see is God is working on your soul still.”
The truth is I am over Kathy. After reading her last letter she wrote me expressing feelings for me and our marriage. I got the picture very well. She couldn’t have been more plain if she had spit in my face. After reading the letter she wrote, something broke within me. It took awhile me to understand what, but now I know it was my desire for her. I am free from her. I see the only true lover of my soul is my Heavenly Father. He is my all in all. And yes “Michael (Christ)“ as stood up in me (though I know you will not believe this). When I read my responses on this site, I to see that they sound harsh but that is not my intention. I am grieved that the people there won‘t look at or consider the scriptures I presented. If there is anger it is brought about by hearing lies presented as truth (with nothing but blind faith to back them up).
“Another thing in this is that man has used the bible as a weapon against God instead of being led by the spirit, it has been a good excuse to for them to keep their sins and want their own ways. ….When bibles were no where a round how did one know God? They listened to that still small voice within them, it was the Spirit that drew them to Father, they never had bibles. Bibles are not wrong but they become law when one needs to be shown proof..…”
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
The scripture tells us Jesus is in heaven with his Father; Wayne (your Michael) told me that Jesus is still bury in some grave somewhere. Which of the two should we believe?
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
As I have said before; show me how I am wrong and I will receive Wayne as Messiah. But until you do, let no one accuse me of evil for trusting the scriptures. I am guiltless in doing so. _________________ Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject: MICHAEL HAS STOOD UP// AND I HAVE LAYED DOWN
It is not I who lives but Christ in me and the life that i know live i live by the son of God (Michael) who loved me and gave himself up for me, so i could have the same experience.
I follow only the Spirit of God and it just so happens that Spirit is in Michael and in me and everyone else here as well. I follow not Wayne's Flesh but his Spirit within him that's the drawing i recieve / that following because it's Spirit not flesh i follow.
I follow my Fathers Instructions only through the voice of Michael in Heaven, that same voice that talks to Wayne "Michael" within him.
I need not scripture quote's for Proof as Father within me is my Proof.
Scripture has it's place and in the right situations but not against the will of God.
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN GO READ, GO BUY MICHAEL'S MOVIE AND LEARN FROM THAT HE IS THE SALVATION OF THIS TIME WE ARE IN AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TIME FOR IT TO COME AGAIN TO ANYONE IN THIS WORLD.
I SAY IT AGAIN: I FOLLOW NOT WAYNE'S FLESH, HE IS NOT MY GOD NEVER HAS BEEN, BUT WAYNE LAYED HIMSELF DOWN FOR MY FAMILY AND EVERYONE OUT THERE JUST AS JESUS DID SO WE COULD BE / HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT HE HAD FROM THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.
THE SPIRIT I FOLLOW AROUND FROM A MEETING OR AM DRAWN TO GO SPEAK WITH AT TIMES IS FROM FATHER ABOVE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WAYNE'S BODY, HIS LOOKS NOR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
THE WORLD LOOKS THROUGH PERVERTED EYES AND SEE'S ONLY FLESH AND THINKS OF SEX.
THEY LOOK AT EVERYTHING FROM THE WORLDS PICTURE, A LUSTFUL MIND. I LOOK AT EVERYTHING FROM THE SPIRITUAL MIND THAT IS WHY I SEE MICHAEL IN OTHERS AND NOT WHO THEY USED TO BE OR TRY TO BE. I CAN SEE MICHAEL IN ME WHEN I STAND IN FRONT OF THAT MIRROR.
So i say this one last final time I WILL NOT BE REPLYING TO THIS FORUM AGAIN "EVER" AS IT IS POINTLESS AND THE CIRCLE CONTINUES AS IT ALWAYS WILL DO.
IF ONE DESIRES TO REALLY KNOW MICHAEL PLEASE SEEK HIM OUT WITH EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR SOUL AS THESE FORUMS ONE ENTERS WILL GET YOU KNOW WHERE BUT THAT OF A CONTINUED CIRCLE.
MICHAEL IS THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION AND one has to look through it from spiritual eyes not through the fleshly worldly mind that we had been taught. I URGE ALL TO LET GO AND DIE it may not be easy for some but don't give up, Father will be there for you every moment.
Michael does takes email's as well. If your heart is drawn to him i say go for it with all your heart / SHALOM "meaning all is well". But if not then run from it with all your heart / SHILLUM "meaning all is hell".
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Response to Charity (Michael as Christ)
Solomon wrote:
People here keep saying my actions on this site are acts of hatred when I am really trying to get you folks there with Wayne to wake up to the truth that sin in not righteousness.
I personally don't see hate, but I'm an outsider... whatever this is worth...
Solomon wrote:
Wayne say one day concerning the Bible that it was not the word of God.
Solomon, I'm not a member of their cult, and no one from there told me this, but the Bible IS NOT the Word of God. The bible itself refers to someone else as being the word of God:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
To call the Bible the word of God, given that it contains contradictions, is saying that God's word contradicts itself. It does not. The bible is a book of scriptures written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit. Those writings are subject to human failing, and human bias. Inspiration is not dictation.
I came to this conclusion independent of Wayne or Michael(this gets confusing to me).
Solomon wrote:
And yes “Michael (Christ)“ as stood up in me (though I know you will not believe this). When I read my responses on this site, I to see that they sound harsh but that is not my intention. I am grieved that the people there won‘t look at or consider the scriptures I presented. If there is anger it is brought about by hearing lies presented as truth (with nothing but blind faith to back them up).
I know how you feel. Every time I hear someone call the Bible the Word of God, I am grieved as well. That alone is taken on blind faith, and nothing resembling logic or reason backs it up.
Solomon wrote:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
There are two ways of reading the bible. One, is through the letter, one is through the spirit. This passage, if read through the letter, contradicts the account of Peter, being told to violate the law, when he was told to eat unclean things. This passage is not true by the letter, but by the Spirit. Anyone who argues for this by the letter, has thus added another contradiction to the bible.
Solomon wrote:
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Inspiration is not dictation. People continue to read more into this than what it says. If this means that the scripture is perfect because it was inspired by God, then what of the contradictions in the Bible?
Solomon wrote:
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
This doesn't say the Bible, this is referring to the Word of God spoken of John 1. Indeed, when this was written, there wasn't anything called a bible.
Solomon wrote:
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
The scripture tells us Jesus is in heaven with his Father; Wayne (your Michael) told me that Jesus is still bury in some grave somewhere. Which of the two should we believe?
In the begining of John, it says of Jesus(calling him the Word), that he was with the Father in the begining and that he became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with the Father in the begining without being flesh, why can he not be with the Father now, without being flesh? In fact, the Bible says that God is Spirit. How can flesh be in a spiritual realm?
solomon wrote:
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
As I have said before; show me how I am wrong and I will receive Wayne as Messiah. But until you do, let no one accuse me of evil for trusting the scriptures. I am guiltless in doing so.
And the Jews were trusting their scriptures when Jesus came, and used those scriptures to disbelieve him.
I'm not arguing for you to believe in Wayne, I would go so far as to say that I personally don't believe that salvation comes through following ANY man. But, it seems to me, that you are falling into the trap that the mainstream church has fallen into. Picking and choosing which verses you take literally, and then either ignoring or explaining away the other verses which contradict your interpretation of the other verses.
This doesn't mean I'm saying you should follow Wayne, I don't and do not feel compelled to. But using scripture like this to discredit someone isn't valid, as scripture can easily be used to discredit the way you are using it.
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