Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 4:52 pm Post subject: A faith born of fear
A faith born of fear
The demand of an unquestioning faith is a faith that fears examination. Such demands are not made by God, but by men seeking to impose their will upon others. For unlike a lie, the light of examination does not trouble the truth, but upholds it.
One does not need to try and rationalize what is inspired of God, for it is not absurd, does not contradict, nor confuse, but is easily understood from the simplest to greatest; yet, apologist must try and rationalize many things within the Bible. For faith in God and faith in the Bible are not one and the same. Dung is dung regardless of where it is found, and anyone who claims that God commanded the butchery of men, women and children is not called of God, but is a self-called preacher of dung!
If people believe evil things said of God, evil will be done in His name. It is time for God's people to quit being intellectually dishonest with self and with God, claiming that they approve of men, women and children being hacked to death as long as it is claimed that it was commanded by God. For there is no difference between the false bloody one of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and that one whom the loonies of 9/11 served.
Children of God, what say you? Did the Spirit of Truth affirm within your Spiritual heart that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of your Heavenly Father? Have you, in seeking to please men, crucified your mind that you may swallow camels? Is it out of bondage to fear of unbelief that you pretend to not understand that such perverse things said of God are wicked?
Multiple sites dedicated to those, who before the age of reason, was lead into bondage to an unrighteous fear of God, through fear of unbelief in Biblical claims that promote self-hatred and passive ignorance. And to the atheist, whose mind is made hostile towards belief in God, because of abominable things that the wicked have said of God, yet are proclaimed by the self-called to be His spokesmen. And to the agnostics, who in being truthful with self and with God, have refused to please men by crucifying their mind to believe in superstitious mumbo-jumbo that is claimed by the self-appointed to be divinely inspired truth.
Hi Servant Wayne,
Your post says alot, but very little of it makes sence to me. As far as I can understand you are a person who doesn't believe in the validity of the Bible. Is that correct?
SW has taken the position that God is true and the Bible is false. See Wayne's parallel thread, Fools call me a God hater! I think he makes his point much clearer there.
His major complaint is this verse in the Bible:
Quote:
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." 1 Samuel 15:2-3.
I think he totally missed my point about how to reconcile the existence of a righteous God and the whole world begin doomed to sickness, misery and death.
The numerous defects and sad implications of Wayne's presuppositions cannot be disguised or covered up:
Wayne trivializes faith and discounts a mountain of evidence. He seems unable to feel the powerful testimony of Jesus and the Apostles and their affirmations of the Old Testament Scriptures. Why does Wayne ignore God's greatest revelation to mankind and base his entire argument on a single, unexplained verse of the Old Testament? He would like to have everyone trust in his highly selective reasoning. He would have us believe that there is no Savior and no reason to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is not my intention to define what is an atrocity and what is not, but to point out that only a moron could believe that God would command the butchery of children.
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:00 am Post subject: butchery - infinity
The primary meaning of the word "butchery" is "wanton or cruel killing." I looked up the meaning of "wanton." It means:
Gratuitously cruel; merciless.
Marked by unprovoked, gratuitous maliciousness; capricious and unjust: wanton destruction.
In short, I believe it's clear that the word butchery misstates the text.
I also believe that you're overreaching in your presumed enlightenment to insist that there is no mercy in God's command (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
It strikes me as reasonable that God requires faith. I have no argument against faith.
I don't presume to settle transcendent justice as perfectly as you profess to be able to. I believe that I'm limited. I find calculating with an infinite number of variables difficult, especially when the number of unknowns are incalculable. I have no reason to doubt that God is pursuing an optimized strategy against Satan. If innocent children and infants are forcibly removed from the evil, ruinous example of their parents and only need to sleep until the resurrection of the righteous, then I don't believe that I'm wise enough to criticize God's rescue attempt.
Eugene, you’re simply trying to put the best spin you can on 1 Samuel 15: 2-3. Unless of course, you really do believe that hacking children and their mothers to death in front of one another is not “Gratuitously cruel; merciless”? The spirit behind 1 Samuel 15: 2-3 is the spirit that inspired 9 / 11.
You are trying to swallow a camel because your faith is not in God alone, as it should be, but is in what men have said of God. For faith in God and faith in the Bible are not one and the same!
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