S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists

susan172992 · is of the lowest rank Joined: 10 Nov 2002 Posts: 18

This is the response that skeptic2001@collegeclub.com received from
seventh-day-adventist@yahoogroups.com when a post from Eugene Shubert was sent to that group: groups.yahoo.com/group/seventh-day-adventist
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... > wrote:
From: "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:31 pm
Subject: S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

FORWARD from Eugene Shubert
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From admin@e... Mon Nov 18 14:10:12 2002
X-Apparently-To: susan172992@y... via 216.136.226.64; 18 Nov
2002 14:11:48 -0800 (PST)
To: admin@e...
Subject: For Seventh-day Adventists
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:10:12 UT
From: admin@e...

"Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table." 1 Kings 18:19.

This is an official request. You are hereby invited and duly served to come to Mount Carmel to wrestle with the evidence reported there that the Seventh-day Adventist church has been fraternizing with Sudanese terrorists.

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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "Marilyn Pasione" < 7dajade@a... > wrote:
From: "Marilyn Pasione" < 7dajade@a... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [seventh-day-adventist] S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

I think You have lost your way, I did have a good laugh but I am sorry that you find it neccessary to post sour grapes messages in this group. I wont be visiting the site you offered.
Marilyn
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... > wrote:
From: "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

#1. Why do you say "sour grapes messages"??
#2. I did NOT say that the article was true, & I also put question marks after
the title!! However, what evidence do you have that the article is untrue or
false?? Did you read the entire article with all of the links??
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "Rick and Jennifer Hopson" < jhopson@l... > wrote:
From: "Rick and Jennifer Hopson" < jhopson@l... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [seventh-day-adventist] S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

I have ZERO tolerance or time for those who would speak against the SDA Church. God will be the final Judge of all that is right or wrong with any and all denominations. Why seek to bring discord and judgment where it isn't your place to do so? The SDA Church isn't perfect but neither are other churches--no one is perfect this side of Heaven and it is our individual duty to make sure that we have personally received God's gift of grace and salvation.
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... > wrote:
From: "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

#1. I have "ZERO tolerance or time" for those that would put the S.D.A. Church above the teachings of Jesus Christ!!
#2. Remember that the original charges against Jesus Christ were brought by the religious leaders of his day, & NOT by the pagan Romans!!
#3. The Catholic Bishops that have covered up for pedophile priests had the same attitude that YOU have -- they put their loyalty to the Catholic Church before their loyalty to Jesus Christ!!
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "Rick and Jennifer Hopson" < jhopson@l... > wrote:
From: "Rick and Jennifer Hopson" < jhopson@l... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: [seventh-day-adventist] Re: S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

I don't recall mentioning Catholics or the catholic church here--

My loyalty is to Jesus Christ, not a denomination, which I thought was reflected in my post. I didn't want to start an argument but since you've stated your opinion, I have stated mine. If the SDA church is so bad why do you bother with them? Why do you feel you must bring out their faults and shortcomings? It's not the SDA church that will get anyone to Heaven so I don't think a person's focus should be on how bad the church is! In the end, it's the Truth that sets us free--Jesus Christ Himself.
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... > wrote:
From: "skeptic20012001" < skeptic2001@c... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: S.D.A. Church/Sudanese Terrorists??

"Rick and Jennifer Hopson" <jhopson@l...> wrote:
I don't recall mentioning Catholics or the catholic church here--
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skeptic2001@c... writes:
I didn't say that you did -- I only compared your attitude to the attitude of the Catholic Bishops -- Why don't you read the article with all of the supporting links with the same open mind that you would expect a Catholic Bishop to have when someone criticizes the Catholic Church??
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"Rick and Jennifer Hopson" < jhopson@l... > wrote:
My loyalty is to Jesus Christ, not a denomination, which I thought was reflected in my post. I didn't want to start an argument but since you've stated your opinion, I have stated mine. If the SDA church is so bad why do you bother with them? Why do you feel you must bring out their faults and shortcomings? It's not the SDA church that will get anyone to Heaven so I don't think a person's focus should be on how bad the church is! In the end, it's the Truth that sets us free--Jesus Christ Himself.
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skeptic2001@c... writes:
#1. I didn't say that the S.D.A. Church was "bad"!!
#2. AGAIN, I simply posted the article with NO opinion, & with question marks after the title!!
#3. Why do you assume that any criticism of the church is false??
#4. If you think that the article is false, then why don't you go to the website of the author & tell him??
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., "don" < chuckiethebrave5@a... > wrote:
From: "don" < chuckiethebrave5@a... >
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:07 pm
Subject: i have removed skeptic

one rule of this group is respect of sda beliefs. another is no long debating. i have removed skeptic from the group. don
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In seventh-day-adventist@y..., Eternalstargazer < eternalstargazer@y... > wrote:
From: Eternalstargazer < eternalstargazer@y... >
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:09 am
Subject: Re: [seventh-day-adventist] For Don

Dear Brother Don,
Just read that you removed Skeptic from the group. I do not know all the ins and outs of his postings, but sometimes I think that we as SDA's need to be challenged on our beliefs, to urge us to continue our studies and keep our foundational heritage alive! So many of us are too self assured of our status, of our "message" for the world and we often become prideful and arrogant with our efforts to save souls. I have been an Adventist for over 25 years and I will stand by our forfathers principals and beliefs until Jesus comes again, but even I need to be tested every so often on what I am truthfully standing up for and why. I do not condone the actions of this skeptic but instead of removing him, why couldn't we, as faithful members of the group, discuss with him and share with him the Truth? But..it is not my group...I will respect your decision. If I am out of line for speaking in this manner, please forgive me.

In His Service, ET/SharonLee,SDA