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Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:55 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:59 pm    Post subject: HA, I believe you said that historically Adventists believed in two divine Beings, the Father and His Son, and three divine personalities. Are you saying that the Father has two personalities and the Holy Spirit has none or that the Holy Spirit is a personality without being a Person? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:12 pm    Post subject: HA, Are you sure James White had “Holy Spirit” capitalized? I ask because I believe there are a few extremists around who don’t believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. They complain about capitalization in “the Third Person of the Godhead.” Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:49 pm    Post subject: see post above Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:56 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 7:08 am    Post subject: Here are a few dictionary definitions of the English word ‘Godhead’ from the Merriam-Webster Online Collegiate Dictionary and www.dictionary.com. god·head n. 1. Divinity; godhood. 2. Godhead a. The Christian God, especially the Trinity. b. The essential and divine nature of God, regarded abstractly. Godhead \God"head\, n. [OE. godhed. See -head, and cf. Godhood.] 1. Godship; deity; divinity; divine nature or essence; godhood. Godhead (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9), the essential being or the nature of God. Main Entry: god·head Function: noun Etymology: Middle English godhed, from god + -hed -hood; akin to Middle English -hod -hood Date: 13th century 1 : divine nature or essence : DIVINITY 2 capitalized a : GOD * b : the nature of God especially as existing in three persons. * footnote is missing. This last reference is most interesting because it mentions the etymology of the word “godhead.” Its origin is in the 13th century. I believe that’s the zenith of Roman Catholicism. Since Trinitarianism reigned supreme at that point and in the succeeding ages of Christian history, we must respect the ordinary meaning of the word. Only a cultist would redefine words and insist on non-standard meanings. Consequently, the “third person of the Godhead” is an unmistakable reference to the Holy Spirit as the Third Person in the Godhead in a Trinitarian sense. Linguistically, the phrase “third person of the Godhead” only has meaning for Trinitarians and those who use the word “Godhead” to mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as a group of three. The Greek word translated ‘Godhead’ in Romans 1:20 (KJV) means “divinity, divine nature.” To see this, click the link to be taken to a Greek Lexicon. Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:39 pm    Post subject: see post above Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:57 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:16 pm    Post subject: Historic Adventist wrote: Historic Adventists believed, “that there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit.” And, “that there is one Lord Jesus Christ, and Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist…” –James White. From the above statement I think it is clear that the Historic Adventists who pioneered the Seventh-day Adventist Church believed in not just two divine Beings, but three divine Beings. Scripture is clear that there is one God, one Son, and one Holy Spirit, each of them divine. If we adjoin to this belief an inspired definition of “Godhead,” as in the following quote, where’s the contradiction? Eugene Shubert wrote: The Godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19). The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested (Colossians 2:9 cf. John 1:1). He is the express image of His Father (Hebrews 1:3 cf. Colossians 1:15). The Holy Spirit is a Person, a free, working, independent agency (John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15). He is all the fullness of the Godhead in a way incomprehensible to finite creatures. Back to top   '); //--> Historic Adventist hopefully saved by grace Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 6 Location: nowhere Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:35 pm    Post subject: Eugene perhaps one day before it is too late you will get over yourself and bow to the authority of the Scriptures instead of your own intellect. Hopefully you will be saved by grace. Last edited by Historic Adventist on Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:59 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 764 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2002 1:31 pm    Post subject: HA, I’m not arguing for or against the Adventist doctrine of the Trinity. I’m asking questions about the Bible and your belief in it. Forget about traditional Trinitarianism for a second. In your previous post you seem to be saying that there is no Biblical justification for believing in “a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned all together in 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, and Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19. Why isn’t that a good enough proof in your mind to establish the existence of a heavenly trio? 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