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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: First of the Seven Last Plagues
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If there be dearth in the land, if there be pestilence, if there be blasting, or mildew, locusts, or caterpillers; if their enemies besiege them in the cities of their land; whatsoever sore (plague) or whatsoever sickness there be: Then what prayer or what supplication soever shall be made of any man, or of all thy people Israel, when every one shall know his own sore (plague) and his own grief, and shall spread forth his hands in this house. Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men:)" 2 Chron 6:28-31.
"The telling evidence of the nature of the seven final plagues, is that those who receive them, refuse to repent of, or even acknowledge, what has caused them. Those with the mark of the beast blame terrorists, insurgents, Iranians, Syria, Hezbollah or Mr. Bush and his company. Americans and others with the mark deserve Mr. Bush. They deserve the other "terrorists" also. But the followers of the beast cannot admit that what they have received is fair, so a "sore" develops within them. That which is blamed on others and not repented of, cannot be forgiven, because the cause is still clung to. So each plague grows and expands and then is compounded and magnified by the next plague. Revelation says that those who receive the plagues "blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds." Revelation 16:11. "Repent" in this verse means "to think differently, or afterwards." "To think differently, or afterwards," after receiving the effects that they have created, they WILL NOT do. They insist on thinking the same way as they always have. When the light comes, they refuse to acknowledge it. They will not acknowledge God's mercy and justice to them in bringing to them the plagues that they have ordered for themselves. "They repented not (to think differently, or afterwards) to give Him glory." Revelation 16:9."
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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7.
"The "sore" of the first plague is when men begin receiving the fruits of their own sowing and repentance is not possible, for they have hardened their hearts against God. This sore will continue to expand until the earth is ended."
That the earth is "sore" is very evident from the current mid-east crisis. History is being repeated with a vengence. This is the final crisis that men have created. God is just in allowing the seven last plagues to fall.
Just trying to understand what you're saying, but I'm very confused in what connections you're drawing between terrorists and/or Bush and Morgellan's condition? Are you suggesting that people suffering from the skin sores are blaming these groups or Bush for it? And those who have Morgellan's are part of those who have received the Mark of the Beast?
Just trying to understand what you're saying, but I'm very confused in what connections you're drawing between terrorists and/or Bush and Morgellan's condition? Are you suggesting that people suffering from the skin sores are blaming these groups or Bush for it? And those who have Morgellan's are part of those who have received the Mark of the Beast?
First, I am not suggesting that anyone who has any skin condition has the mark of the beast. However that there are physical sores that do show up and are like the sores described in scripture, that makes the connection to what is described. The sores that people develop from several different sources can all be traced to different forms of sin in the earth. This is just an outward evidence of an inner condition of the entire planet, not just this person or that person or even a certain group of people.
And in regards to your first question, the whole earth is "sore" at someone else and tries to blame someone else for their woes. This is not Godly. Jesus never blamed anyone for what happened to him. A man of God will not blame someone else for the troubles that he has brought upon himself. He will not begin to even think that someone else is responsible for his life and how he made it.
The connection is that the first plague is a "sore" and it does not take much to see the "sores" that people carry around. That the Iraqi people are "sore" at Bush is obviously evident. That Bush has caused them to be "sore" is also very evident. Again the war in Iraq is just an outward manifestation of the condition of the whole earth and everyone on it who is in rebellion against God and His laws. _________________ Hemet (subjective truth) 777 complete continous perfection of God
This was posted in the News section, but for some reason was moved to the jail section. I am not sure why, since it is news that surely all who are seriously following God fully would want to consider. _________________ Hemet (subjective truth) 777 complete continous perfection of God
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure how literally you meant some of the things you had said.
I'm curious, though, how is what you see today so different than what you can see throughout all of human history? Has there ever been a time where people did not blame others for their condition? Was there a time when people took total responsibility for everything in their lives? I can't find it.
On the other hand, Jesus and Paul and others certainly did not hesitate to point out what others were doing if they were unjust towards others, so even if one were not to blame others for your own situation, if you see someone oppressing others, are you supposed to remain silent?
I'm curious, though, how is what you see today so different than what you can see throughout all of human history?
How did Noah know to build an ark when it had never been done before? How did Jesus know that the fullness of the time had come? Jesus said, "When I come will I find faith on the earth?" These things come by seeking God with all your heart, mind soul and body. Then the Spirit of God reveals it to the soul. And it comes by faith in what has been revealed without doubting or wavering. But there is another answer to your question too.
Yes in the days of the Babylonians the "whole" world was embroiled in wars and fighting. However that "whole" world did not involve this country or South America. This continent was not even known of. The history of the America's is new. Bible writers did not know of this land. When Columbus came here he encountered people that he described as peaceful and welcoming. Had he treated them with kindness rather than hostility they would still be alive today. As it is that group of people are extinct. When Cortez marched through the country he encountered natives who were not hostile except to protect themselves. The pilgrims were treated with respect (cautiously of course) but not met with arms of resistance. Where can one go today to find a nation that is not at war with someone else? That is the difference. There is not a single nation on this planet that is not involved in one facet or another in the wars that are currently raging. Some of that involvement is of an economic aggression that is nearly devastating to their lands.
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Has there ever been a time where people did not blame others for their condition? Was there a time when people took total responsibility for everything in their lives? I can't find it.
Not that I know of either. But that is the way of the cross of Christ. At the cross, Jesus said, "I am responsible for you %100 in every area and willing to die that you might live." When Jesus Christ lives in the heart will he be any different? That is what the cross of Christ declares. It declares that the soul that is filled with Jesus will see others as innocent and themselves as responsible. God is finishing the work in His people that are willing to accept that death to self that others might live.
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On the other hand, Jesus and Paul and others certainly did not hesitate to point out what others were doing if they were unjust towards others, so even if one were not to blame others for your own situation, if you see someone oppressing others, are you supposed to remain silent?
Two thoughts come to mind here. One is that what you say is true. In regards to ourselves, certainly all the woes that come upon a man are the result of his own choices. The devil thought he was unjustly treated and as a result was removed from his position in heaven. However God did point out to the other angels that what Lucifer was doing was unjust as a warning to them to not follow the same path. God was not silent was He?
Yes, God stood in defense of truth, yet at the same time He did not interfere in allowing the angels to choose for themselves who to follow. God did not fight as Bush is fighting. God is not in war or force. Speaking out the truth is much different than trying to force truth on someone who does not want it. Each soul is endowed with its own conscience from God and stands accountable to God alone for its actions. In today's society the state tries to take the place of God by forcing its will on the citizens to "keep them safe". In other words God expects each soul to think and reason for itself between Him and the soul alone without someone else trying to be their conscience for them.
And that is another issue, but equally valid in seeing the condition of the earth. In this land and nearly every other land, a soul is forced to obey the laws of the land even if there are no victims and no one has been hurt. We have a huge myriad of victimless crimes for which you can be fined, forced and even sent to jail for disobeying.
I do not smoke cigarettes or take drugs of any kind, but I see a huge hyprocrisy is a government that allows a person to smoke one kind of weed (tobacco) but will throw into jail a person for smoking another kind of weed (pot). I see a giant octopus type government that will fine and eventually throw into jail (if they continue to disobey) a person for not wearing a seat belt. No one is hurt, no one is slandered, but it is forced compliance where no crime was commited. It is the same way with building codes.
If a person tries to build a house and is not in compliance with certain codes (that continually change, which makes the previous codes outdated) they will be fined or forced to fix the house for the states satisfaction. I am sure that many who work in these governmental institutions see themselves as doing the public a service, but they do not see that it is forcing the will of the state on the conscience. What if the peson does not have the money to do it a certain way? Why can't they live in a tin shack unmolested?
The bottom line in this is that the whole world is being controlled, manipulated, forced and put in a position of either obeying God or man. There is no place else to go like the pilgrims did over 225 years ago. Where can one go and live according to how God tells them without being either molested by the state or finding that country embroiled in war and aggression of some kind? _________________ Hemet (subjective truth) 777 complete continous perfection of God
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