Exactly How Equal is Jesus Christ to the Father God?

Eugene Shubert

This thread is for Trinitarians to discuss the question Exactly How Equal is Jesus Christ to the Father God?

Heston · hopefully saved by grace Joined: 24 Sep 2003 Posts: 15

Totally equal

Heb. 1:8
God the Father called the Son "God."
Isa. 9:6
The "child" is called the "Mighty God."
Mt. 1:23,

Is. 7:14
Jesus is called Immanuel, which means "God with us."
John. 1:1
Jesus (the "Word") is called "God."
1 Tim. 3:16
Paul said Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh."
Col. 2:8.9
Paul said Jesus was the "fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John. 20:28
Thomas said to Jesus, "…my God."
Titus 2:13
Paul called Jesus "the great God."
Phil. 2:5,6
Paul said Jesus didn’t feel it was wrong to be considered "equal with God."
John 5:18
The Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He was "making Himself equal with God."
John 10:30
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."
Gen. 1:1;

Col. 1:16
The Bible said God created all things and that Jesus created all things.
Mic. 5:2
The messiah (Jesus) had always been in existence.
Isa. 44:6; Rev. 1:2,8, 11,13
God claimed to be the "First and the Last." So did Jesus. God clearly states that He is the only savior. The Bible also says Jesus is our savior.

1 Timothy 3:16 -Paul Said Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

John 20:28 -Thomas called Jesus God.
"And Thomas answered, and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Colosians 2:8,9 -Paul said Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
"…Christ. For in him dwelleth all of the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

Titus 2:13 -Paul said Jesus was God.
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior, Jesus Christ."

Luke 8:39 -After Jesus healed a demon possessed man, Jesus said:
"Return to thine house, and show what great things God hath done unto thee. And he went on his way and published throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done unto him."

Rom. 14:10b -12 -Paul uses the words Jesus and God interchangeably.
"For we shall all stand before the judgment Seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So, then, "every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Luke 8:39 -After Jesus healed a demon possessed man, Jesus said:
"Return to thine house, and show what great things God hath done unto thee. And he went on his way and published throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done unto him."

Phil. 2:5b, 6 -Paul said Jesus was God.
"… Jesus Christ, who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

I think that should cover it.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:44 pm Post subject:

Heston,

Yours is truly the most delightful assemblage of Bible texts that I've seen in a long time. While recognizing all the wonderful texts you've quoted, I'm curious to know your explanation of the many New Testament statements that seem to place the Father above Jesus.

www.everythingimportant.org/Godhead

Welcome to the forum.

Heston · hopefully saved by grace Joined: 24 Sep 2003 Posts: 15

Before answering those verses, I would love to hear your explanation of these that I have posted.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:33 pm Post subject: John 1:1

I propose that, if we must eat a whole proverbial elephant then let's do so one bite at a time. I'll be happy to start with a most delectable piece because it masterfully highlights and precisely states my point of view. It's a wonderful quote on John 1:1 by William Barclay and is reproduced in the link I cited. Also see The Daily Study Bible- The Gospel of John vol. 1 III. [Revised Edition ISBN 0-664-21304-9]:

Finally John says that “The Word was God”. There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is ‘theos’, and the definite article is ‘ho’. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say ‘theos’; it says ‘ho theos’. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was ‘ho theos’; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was ‘theos’ —without the definite article— which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same character and quality and essence and being as God. When John said ‘The Word was God’ he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God; he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like.

Heston · hopefully saved by grace Joined: 24 Sep 2003 Posts: 15

Can't say I disagree...or wouldn't if it weren't for a little word called "was"

the word WAS God

Emphasis mine.