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gillespie9669 pseudo 7th-day Adventist

Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 36 Location: JAMAICA, WEST INDIES
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:33 am Post subject: The Omega Heresy and The Holy Spirit's Nature |
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THE HOLY SPIRITS NATURE
AND THE OMEGA HERESY
Some in Adventism say the Holy Spirit is not a separate, or "third person" of the Godhead, but really (actually) is Christ Himself returning to earth "in another form" (i.e. before His Second Coming or advent).
However, in John 14:16 Jesus says:
I will ask the Father, and He will give you ANOTHER Counselor [Comforter].
What does the word "another" mean? It means different, *SEPARATE, or distinct from the one compared to, and, as confirmed by the 2003 Encarta Dictionary, means:
One that is different: somebody who or something that is *completely separate or different from the one mentioned -Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
When Jesus said "ANOTHER was being sent He obviously meant that He would ask for a Counselor other than Himself, after He went away. The Counselor would take His place, or act in His stead. True Adventism eventually recognized this, and is represented in saying:
No circumstances, no distance can separate us from the Heavenly Comforter [the Holy Spirit]. Wherever we are, wherever we may go, He is always there, One [notice, some-One, not something] given [by the Father] in Christs place, to act in His stead [as a Representative]
-E.G. White, That I May Know Him, pg. 171
N.B. Certainly, the words, One given [as a Representative], are profound and can hardly be explained away.
Would this be the Father in actual person (as some say), coming Himself literally as the Holy Spirit? *John 16:13,14 (compared with John 12:49) shows this cannot be so, for either the Father has no independent authority of His own, to speak while sending Himself, or He receives things from Himself, and hears from Himself, like a madman. This would be a ridiculous proposition, which does not even warrant time debating, except that error must be met head-on, and defeated by the word of our testimony upon the authority of the Bible.
When Jesus referred to another in this crucial text, He used the word allos for another in Greek, not heteros, a word, which, if it were used, would have then meant that He Himself would actually be back, literally, but in a different form. But He did not use heteros. This is significant in meaning, as the Strongs Lexicon shows:
ALLOS AND HETEROS COMPARED IN GREEK
ALLOS- usually denotes numerical in distinction; and generally denotes simple distinction of individuals
HETEROS- involves the idea of difference of kind.
-Enhanced Strongs Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995
Thus the truth that the Holy Spirit is another, or is separate from Christ, and is One (some-One) given
to act in His stead is obvious on so many fronts.
Of course there are texts that seem to say it is Christ (and the Father) literally coming to us, that is, Jesus said, WE will come to you. The explanation is simple. The nature of the Godhead is of such that when ONE of the Three is present, all three are present, but the other two are present REPRESENTATIONALLY. If that was not so then the word representative could never be applied to the Son and the Spirit, i.e. both acting for the Father, and the Spirit acting for the Father and Son. And thus God [the Father] was in Christ while Jesus, being Himself God in the highest sense (EGW), was on earth representing His Father as God with us.
Someone inspired in Adventism said:
Of the Spirit, Jesus said, "He shall glorify me." The Savior came to glorify the Father by the demonstration of his love; so the Spirit was to glorify Christ by revealing his grace to the world. -E.G. White, RH.1908-11-19.006
They (Father, Son, and Spirit) know each others thoughts as if they were their own; they all have the same objectives, and are *exactly alike in divine nature, thus when you see one; you see all, as it were.
Some say because the Holy Spirit intercedes for us (Rom. 8:26, 27) this must be Christ Himself literally, because only one Mediator exists, but this Holy Spirit intercession relates only to prayer (not priestly function), and simply means that the Spirit inspires our prayers, converting it into the language of Heaven. This Mrs. White makes clear in Adventism.
Christ our Mediator, *AND the Holy Spirit *ARE constantly interceding in mans behalf, but the Spirit pleads not for us as does Christ [the Mediator], who presents His blood, shed from the foundation of the world; the Spirit works upon our hearts, drawing out prayers and penitence, praise and thanksgiving. The gratitude, which flows from our lips, is the result of the Spirits striking the cords of the soul in holy memories, awakening the music of the heart.-E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, pg. 344
Notice the conjunctives AND the Holy Spirit ARE, signaling more than one Person. If they actually were one and the same Person, this EGW distinction would be impossible! READ THE FOREGOING STATEMENT VERY CAREFULLY AGAIN, AND RECOGNIZE MRS WHITE NEVER ESTABLISHED A DUO IN THE GODHED, BUT A TRIO, A WORD WHICH CANNOT MEAN THE FIRST TWO JUST EXTENDING THEMSELVES AS THE HOLY SPIRIT. AN EXTENTION CANNOT PRODUCE A TRIO FROM TWO. Jesus Himself makes clear distinction that "the Comforter" is ANOTHER, His representative, whom He works through, operating AS if it were Himself, but is *NOT Himself. His words settle the matter! This is easily seen in the following:
When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, HE WILL TESTIFY OF ME" (John 15:26), while not speaking of Himself.
Thus *the Spirit is not the Father and Jesus in Person, or actual personality!!!
Jesus "broke" the rules of Greek grammar here, to give the "Holy Spirit" personality. The word for "Spirit" is neuter (neither masculine nor feminine), and should, in strict Greek grammar, be referred to as "It". But Jesus refers to "the Spirit of truth" as "HE". It is NOT grammatically incorrect (by Greek rules) to refer to the Holy Spirit as it (as seen several times in E.G. Whites writings), but *ONLY if one recognizes that this it is Biblically seen as a person, who has a personality (E.G. White), just like Jesus, a person, is Biblically called an it on occasions (see 1John 1:1-3). Even a dependent child is called an it. The it expression is not the problem. *The problem comes when the Spirits distinct, or separate personhood is denied, as a fundamental doctrine. This amounts to heresy!!![/b] How so?
[b]In John 14-16 Christ referred to the Holy Spirit 24 times with personal pronouns, HE, and HIM. He addresses the Holy Spirit as a person, and treats Him as a person. He calls Him the Paraclete (in Greek), which is a title, which could only be held by a person.
The Paraclete, is "ANOTHER Counselor" (John 14:16), thus similar to Jesus, who will come and instruct. The Holy Spirits presence is just like saying Christ Himself is here! Notice again:
"The Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things (14:26). This was quite similar to Jesus coming in His Fathers name, but was not actually the Father Himself in personality, despite Jesus is so similar to Him to be called the Everlasting Father!
"When the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who comes forth from the Father, He will bear witness to me (15:26-27)
"When the Spirit of truth comes, HE will guide you into all truth, for HE will... glorify ME, for HE will take what is mine and declare it to you (16:13-14)
The Bible speaks of Him as: the Spirit of God (Romans 8:9; 8:14), and the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9). Why? Because both sends Him to us, and He REPRESENTS both!
In 1Cor. 2:11, 12 the Spirit is made inseparable from the Father and Son, as a mans spirit in him is inseparable from him, but notice the Spirit is OF God (verse 12), never said to be in God, because God is spirit, not a material body and a spirit within Him. Revelation 1:4 shows the sevenfold Spirit separate before His throne, not on His throne.
Was it not also Revelation, which said, I Jesus have sent mine angel with this testimony for the churches (Rev. 22:16), and notice this was being said even while the Holy Spirit was literally present speaking to John; CLEARLY INDICATING THAT JESUS WAS NOT ACTUALLY PRESENT, BUT WAS BEING REPRESENTED BY ANOTHER! This is clear Bible evidence that the Spirit was personally separate (see Is. 48:16), and today remains personally separate from the Father and Son, in the one Eternal Godhead. However they remain INSEPARABLE in terms of specie, group, existence, purpose, and unity of action! There is a clear difference. Now notice Mrs. Whites testimony.
E.G. WHITES TESTIMONY
Said E.G. White, The Spirit is all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive, and believe in Christ as a personal Savior. Can fullness ever be inferior to others of its class? I wonder! But, was this all she said, in representing true Adventists? What else does EGW say about the Holy Spirit, whom she calls the Third Person in the Godhead? Read on.
Councils on Health, pg. 222 (from 1899 speech in Sydney, Australia)
The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave *themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.
Manuscript Release 7:299
Written in 1899 (presented at Avondale College, Australia):
"We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a [singular] person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, [and we need to realize] that the Lord God is our keeper, and helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every thought of the mind.
Desire of Ages, 1898, pg.671
In describing to His disciples the office work of the Holy Spirit, Jesus sought to inspire them with the joy and hope that inspired His own heart
The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of men to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure.
Special Testimonies (1906), Series B, No. 7, pg. 62, 63
The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The word of God declares Him to be "the express image of His person
Here is shown the personality of the Father. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Savior. There are three living persons [personalities] of the heavenly *trio. In the name of these three powers, --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.
Signs of Times, June 19, 1901
Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship....
Signs of the Times, December 1, 1898
What gift could He bestow rich enough to signalize and grace His ascension to the mediatorial throne? It must be worthy of His greatness and His royalty. He determined to give His *Representative, the third person of the Godhead. This gift could not be excelled. He would give all gifts in one, and therefore the divine Spirit, converting, enlightening, sanctifying, would be His donation.
Mrs. White clearly accepted the distinct personalities expressed in Heb. 9:14, Matthew 28:19, and 1 Corinthians 12:4-6. At one place (*surprisingly for some) she said about the Holy Spirit:
The Lord [which could be either the Father, or Christ, the one Lord] will speak through His messengers
[and they, His messengers] are powerful and efficacious only as God, the Eternal Spirit (!!) shall work upon their hearts (E.G. White, 1888 Materials 1039).
Did she understand this to mean only one Person (the Father), or even the two who share the title Lord extending themselves omni-presently? Well, why did she represent true Adventists in saying that (as cited in Evangelism, pgs. 614,615),There are three [3] living [literal] personalities of the Heavenly Trio [not Duo]?
Why did she also emphasize, in keeping with *1 Corinthians 12:11, that:
The Holy Spirit is a free working, *INDEPENDENT agency (The Faith I Live By, pg. 52), thus proving that the Holy Spirit has an independent will?
AND WHICH TRUE ADVENTIST CAN DENY THAT:
When we have accepted Christ, and
have [or should have] pledged ourselves to *SERVE [venerate, obey, worship-seeJoshua 24:14,15 and *Matt. 4:10] God, the Father, Christ, *and [thirdly] the Holy Spirit, the three Dignitaries
of Heaven pledge Themselves that every facility will be given us if we carry out our vows
(-E.G. White, Manuscript 85, 1901).
Now if that is not reference to plain personal distinction of a Trio of Heavenly Dignitaries, and a reference to, and endorsement of all three being served (or venerated in the spiritual sense) then I dont know what is. CLEARLY SOME TODAY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVED VOWED, OR PLEDGED AT THEIR BAPTISM!!
THIS IS CLEAR, AND ANY DENIAL OF THIS, AND THE FOREGOING, IS HERESY!!!!!
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE OMEGA HERESY?
In a booklet that has been circulated to S.D.A.'s, called "Who is Telling the Truth about God? (AND IN OTHERS LIKE IT), the independent authors deny that the Holy Spirit is the third (separate) PERSON of the Godhead, and say the Holy Spirit is ACTUALLY Jesus "coming back in ANOTHER FORM". The Holy Spirit, they say, is JUST the inner Spirit of Christ, and of God. The Spirit, to the writers of Who is telling the Truth About God? is JUST the inner being of Christ, a personified force, as it were, but not a living individual person on His own. Clearly they need to look up the words three, and more so LIVING in the dictionary!
There is no "spiritualistic or PERSONIFIED force floating around. We deal with a personal Godhead Trio. It is Bible truth that when ONE of the three living personalities of the Godhead is present, their "oneness of thought, and purpose" makes it so as if all three are actually present, for God knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit searches the deep things of God, and Jesus mind is the mind of the Spirit (see proof in Rom. 8:27; 1 Cor. 2:10,16; Is. 40:13,14). But they are separate personalities, or persons (same meaning). No escaping that!!
A very big lie promoted by some (like the writers of Who is Telling the Truth About God) is that of insisting that because the Holy Spirit proceedeth from God, then He is not a separate, independent willed, and personal entity. Well if this were true, then Gods words, which also proceedeth from the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4), would likewise not be separate entities (now on written pages like your Bible) but would be extensions of God Himself! How ridiculous this latter proposition sounds, but to be consistent regarding their definition of proceedeth this would also have to be supported by them!
But since the omega [final adventist] heresy would evidently be (in substance) a mirror image of the alpha heresy, which misunderstood the presence and personality of god, *but more-so the Spirit of God, then the omega heresy will evidently also misunderstand, and misrepresent the nature of the Spirit of God, thus denying the testimony of the scriptures, the Spirit of Prophecy writings, and even the dictionary meanings of words like another, trio, third, three, person, living, representative, independent, dignitaries, and themselves.
What can you say to people who go beyond the simple declaration (of e.g. White) that what, not who, but notice, what the holy spirit is, really, is a *mystery (e.g. White, acts of the apostles,), and seek to solve this mystery by confusing it with, and denying *who he is declared to be? there is a difference between the words what and who, which some have not yet recognized! What else is needed to identify who are the fulfillers of the very omega heresy?
Complete self-deception is clearly part and parcel of this omega, now unfolding before our very eyes, thus testifying to the truth of the Spirit of Prophecy. He that hath an ear let him hear!!!
Amen.
Author and Editor- Derrick Gillespie
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Eugene Shubert teacher, evangelist

Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 585 Location: Richardson Texas
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The omega [final Adventist] heresy would evidently be (in substance) a mirror image of the alpha heresy, [exactly], which misunderstood the presence and personality of God, [because it taught a pantheistic view of the presence and personality of God] *but more-so the Spirit of God, [are you correcting the Spirit of Prophecy here?], then the omega heresy will evidently also misunderstand, and misrepresent the nature of the Spirit of God [because I'm presupposing that conclusion].
The alpha heresy had nothing to do with Trinitarianism. Kellogg was a Trinitarian but his heresy (the alpha) was pantheism. [1]. A. Graham Maxwell is a Trinitarian but his pantheism (the omega) is the only conceivable mirror image of Kellogg's alpha. [2] [3]. |
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gillespie9669 pseudo 7th-day Adventist

Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 36 Location: JAMAICA, WEST INDIES
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Eugene Shubert wrote: | | The alpha heresy had nothing to do with Trinitarianism. Kellogg was a Trinitarian but his heresy (the alpha) was pantheism. [1]. A. Graham Maxwell is a Trinitarian but his pantheism (the omega) is the only conceivable mirror image of Kellogg's alpha. [2] [3]. |
Dear Eugene,
None of my writings said the "alpha heresy" was concerned with Trinitarianism , but, as even you yourself will admit, it certainly was concerned with issues wrapped around the Godhead, God's presence and personality. Mrs. white never said exactly what the later "omega" would be would be, but left it up to the insightful among us to suggest signs of its fulfillment. Why should you be so dogmatic in your pronouncements, to even discount other possible interpretations, and to see yourself as such an authority on the issue, that you feel that your take on the issue is better than anyone else's? Graham Maxwell's "pantheism" is seen by you as "the only conceivable mirror image of Kellogg's alpha" because you yourself presuppose that conclusion. Who really says that the "omega" must be a "mirror image" of the alpha in terms of pantheism, and promulgated by only one person? That again you have presupposed, as I have probably presupposed it being connected to misunderstanding the spirit's identity and God's mode of presence in the world. Who knows, it may just involve much more than you or I think it does. So let us be humble in our interpretations, and respectful of various interpretations which may just logically satisfy the fulfillment. I certainly am willing to be. Are you? I certainly wonder why e.g. White would "tremble for our people" over Maxwell's "pantheistic" teachings which have had very little effect on general Adventism. below I have expanded on the issue by quoting a chapter from a book manuscript I wrote some time ago. Hope it helps to show you why I think the way I do. I have read (and filed/recorded) your explanation (re: Maxwell's pantheism), so I am not operating in ignorance where your work is concerned. Despite our differences of opinion, once again, I say to you, God bless!
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(Quoted from my book manuscript, "Trinity- S.D. Adventism on Trial"- 2000)
QUESTION 15
DID LEROY FROOM BRING IN THE OMEGA HERESY, MAKING THE ADVENTIST CHURCH A PART OF BABYLON TODAY?
What is heresy, and what is apostasy, with which it is sometimes equated?
The Encarta Encyclopedia 2000 defines the two words as follows:
HERESY- any religious doctrine [or movement] opposed to the dogma [set principles of doctrine] of a particular church, especially doctrine held by a person professing faith in the teachings of that church. The term originally meant belief that one arrived at by ones self (Greek hairesis- choosing for oneself) and is used to denote *SECTARIANISM [smaller dissident group] in Acts of the Apostles and in the epistles of Paul. In later Christian writings, the term is used in the opprobrious [approved by some] sense of belief held in opposition to the teaching of the church.
APOSTASY- (from Greek apostasia- insurrection, uprising), the total abandonment of Christianity [or a particular denomination] by a baptized person
Apostasy is distinguished from laxity in the practice of religion and [from] *HERESY, [which is] the formal denial of one or more doctrines of the Christian faith [or of ones denomination]
It is necessary in answering the question before us that we first look at:
[1] Who was Leroy Froom, and what exactly is he charged with by some within the Adventist Church today?
[2] What was Mrs. Whites omega heresy prediction really about?
First of all, Leroy Froom is probably the Adventist Churchs greatest historian, who did an intense and comprehensive study (over a span of 40 years), on the Adventist Churchs doctrinal and organizational history. In 1971 he published his findings in his greatest work as an Adventist writer (after being assisted by hundreds of sincere Adventist researchers, and even by late pioneers of the time). This very detailed work was entitled, Movement of Destiny. In this book he traces the history of the Advent faith, as it doctrinally and organizationally found its feet, from infancy to what it is presently.
He is also famous for publishing another valuable book, the Coming of the Comforter, in which he outlines in detail what Adventists should believe about the third Person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit, in light of Biblical and Spirit of Prophecy truths. Let the reader here note that, this writer has personally read Leroy Frooms over 700 page book, Movement of Destiny, and can attest to the depth, overall accuracy, honesty, general consistency, and the comprehensive nature of his research. This was easily determined, by cross referencing with other researchers who, many of them, were not even Adventist writers, but who presented many of the same historical facts, and, independently of the Church, came to certain similar conclusions as Leroy Froom. However, as is usually the case, and which is understandable, in this book, Leroy Froom gave his personal opinion on some issues under discussion, which remained simply that, his opinion, despite the Church either seemingly held another official opinion, or minorities in the Church opposed him. This will be proved shortly.
WHAT LEROY FROOM IS CHARGED WITH
After the evidence presented by Leroy Froom was carefully and honestly analyzed by this writer, it can be said that despite Leroy Froom is charged with heresy or falsehood by some, these charges have been found to be, for the most part, groundless. He is charged with:
1. Falsely declaring Jesus to be fully eternal and without beginning, despite He was begotten, falsely declaring Jesus to be fully equal with the Father, though subject to Him in a certain context, and falsely declaring Jesus to be consubstantial, or of one substance with the Father, in the same way, or in the same sense that He is said to be consubstantial, or of one substance, with us humans.
2. Falsely declaring the Holy Spirit to be a Person, the Third Person of the Godhead, to be served as God, just like the Father and the Son, even drawing on non-Adventist literature in his initial research on this issue.
3. Falsely declaring that the Adventist Church, at the 1888 General Conference and after, came to grips with the truth about the Christ's saving righteousness, ALONG WITH THE TRUTH ABOUT THE constituent Persons of the Eternal Godhead, or the Heavenly Trio, and certain other old truths, closely related to the Trinitarian type viewpoints, but seen in a new light in some points.
Froom is charged with heresy, meaning a denial of fundamental doctrine of ones Church, AND MORESO FOR INTRODUCING THE "OMEGA", but is this charge valid? Let the reader simply look back at the evidence given so far by this writer, and it will be seen who really is in denial of fundamental doctrine. Is it Leroy Froom, or is it those who charge him with denial? The truth regarding the Godhead is very evident there to those who read honestly, and who listen to the silent throbbing of their conscience.
It will be clearly seen that Leroy Froom was not in error, at least for the most part, AND HE DID NOT INTRODUCE, NOR WAS THE FIRST TO PUBLISH TRINITARIAN TEACHINGS IN THE SDA CHURCH. What, in this writers humble opinion, could be honestly counted as faulty on Frooms part was his treatment of the creeds of Christendom on pages 284 and 285, in his book Movement of Destiny, 1971, which related to the oneness of three Persons of the Eternal Godhead. It can be said that, though many of the statements in the creeds certainly has *some (not all) truths which Adventism shared in basic terms, Leroy Froom failed to properly clarify the oneness between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, which is not a numeric oneness, but a spiritual oneness, as so graphically illustrated in John 17:21 and 22.
The creeds spoke, almost unanimously, of the oneness, quote, not confounding the persons [of the Godhead] *NEITHER DIVIDING THE SUBSTANCE, as was stated by the Athanasian Creed originally. His failure to properly address the last part of this here quoted creedal statement, that is, neither dividing the substance, is where Leroy Frooms personal opinion on this issue was evidenced. There is, obviously, no problem with the first part of this creedal statement, that is, not confounding the persons, because that part is certainly a correct viewpoint, which Adventism also shared; that there is a Trio of Persons in the Eternal Godhead.
He subsequently seem to draw the conclusion that because there was such a closeness between these creeds, and what Adventism came to gradually accept about the constituent persons of the Eternal Godhead after 1888, that nothing in the CREEDAL Trinity explanations of the Eternal Godhead was faulty. However, as it was demonstrated time and time again, in this presentation, the numeric oneness concept, not the three Persons (or Heavenly Trio), was what the pioneers rejected. Thus Leroy Frooms analysis was here evidenced to be at fault, but only on this point.
However, you will notice the lasting and powerful effect, which the insightful molding influence of Mrs. Whites writings have had on the Churchs official explanation of the Three Persons (the Trio) in the Godhead. Despite Leroy Froom never seemed to properly clarify the oneness of the Godhead, the Church did not, have not, and does not today officially accept this explanation, despite individual mainstream Adventist writers, in their opinion, may have thought and expressed otherwise. If Leroy Froom had caused the Adventist Church to fulfill the omega heresy, as explained by some to be the Churchs official adoption of the creedal Roman Catholic Trinity explanation, then the Church would not now be charged with teaching TRITHEISM- three separate persons or beings (a trio) in the Eternal Godhead (even seen as a different brand of trinitarianism) because this was neither Leroy Frooms thesis, nor the original explanation of the oneness in the Godhead by the Athanasian Creed of Roman Catholics.
It is obvious that the word trinity is not the real problem. What is of greater importance is the explanation of truths about the Trio in the Godhead, and their oneness, a oneness which, though not confounding the persons, is as mysteriously close as illustrated in Genesis 2:24 and Ephesians 5:28 and 29. Let the reader be again reminded of the meaning of the simple nouns trinity and trio, by referring to several dictionaries, and also be reminded of the following words of Mrs. White, on the oneness of the constituent persons in the Eternal Godhead:
The existence of A [singular] PERSONAL GOD, the UNITY of Christ with His Father [individual persons who are obviously united with the Person of the Holy Spirit], lies at the foundation of all true science [and true religion].
-Manuscript 30,Oct. 29, 1904
When we have accepted Christ, and in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, have pledged ourselves to *SERVE [see Joshua 24:2, 14 and 15] God, the Father, Christ, and [thirdly] the Holy Spirit the Three Dignitaries and Powers of Heaven pledge themselves that every facility will be given us if we carry out our
vows. Manuscript 85, 1901
Let the reader be reminded that Mrs. White expressly indicated that there are three living persons in the Heavenly Trio, or the Eternal Godhead, whom we should serve, but that there is an obvious distinction between them because, even the Holy Spirit is described as, quote, also a Divine Person, He has a personality, and He is the Third Person of the Godhead.
And you will notice that no outside (or non-Adventist) source is really needed to establish this point; despite some non-Adventist sources have also expressed the same sentiments. The distinction between the Father and Son is, already, very, very obvious (see John 17:21 and 22). That is the truth in the later-matured, pioneering, and historic Adventism, which, though sometimes misunderstood, could not have been successfully denied, by Leroy Froom then, or others in the Church today. Case dismissed. So much for the charge against Froom, that he caused the Church to be in error today.
THE FIRST RULE IN INTERPRETING THE OMEGA HERESY
Let us now look at the view expressed by some that Mrs. White predicted, in the church-related prophecy of the omega heresy to come, that the Adventist Church would become a part of Babylon after her death took place in 1915. It is claimed by some, that Mrs. White declared that our religion was going to be changed by the omega heresy. But did she really say this specifically? The evidence is there for all to see, and we will now scrutinize it carefully and closely, using the rules of prophetic interpretation.
However, before even reading the evidence, it is worthy of mention that the interpretation of the omega heresy finding fulfillment in the Church becoming a part of Babylon was already shown to be groundless, under Question 14. Prophecies of Mrs. White, like those of the Bible, cannot, or should not be made to, contradict or nullify each other, by being in total contrast. For instance, the Bible could not, simultaneously, or at the same time, speak of quote, the day that cometh shall burn them [the wicked] up
it shall leave them neither root nor branch
they shall be ashes (Malachi 4:1, 3), while at the same time speaking of the lost consciously living forever, while being tormented in an eternally burning hell (as a result of a supposed natural soul immortality)!! It is obvious that anything else in the Bible, about hell fire, which goes against the clear statements in Malachi 4, and other similar Bible passages, must have an application that does not contradict or nullify this clear and unambiguous declaration. That is the first rule of prophetic interpretation.
Likewise, using the same obvious rule of interpretation, Mrs. White could not, on the one hand, be declaring (indirectly) that the Adventist Church will become a part of Babylon in the future while, simultaneously, declaring directly that we should denounce as, quote, not bearing the message of truth, when anyone arises, that is, at any time, whether within or without the Church to declare this in the future. So the omega heresy, even though it can be shown to be probably connected to the subject of the Godhead, it must, however, have another application, other than the Church becoming a part of Babylon. Is there another strong possibility in its application, while still being connected to the subject of the Godhead? Let us see.
WHAT WAS THE OMEGA HERESY REALLY PREDICTING?
In the book called Selected Messages, Volume 1, on pages 197-204, (excepted from Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 2; a compilation of some of Mrs. Whites late manuscripts,) there is a reference to a future heresy that was to come after her time. In this writing she compares the alpha of deadly heresies, of Dr Kellogg (already referred to under Question 9 of this presentation), to a future omega of likewise deadly heresies that, quote, would follow in a little while (Selected Messages, Volume 1, pg. 203). While she explained what the alpha heresy was then, she did not explain the future omega heresy, but left its explanation up to the insightful among the future members, who would use careful rules of prophetic interpretation to find its fulfillment.
Let us now apply the second rule of prophetic interpretation: Do not change or add to what is said directly, accept what is said! Did she say the omega was going to change the Churchs religion and make it a part of Babylon? Let us see.
In what Mrs. White calls the alpha of deadly heresies, Dr. Kelloggs pantheistic teachings, in his book, Living Temple (1903), were shown to be INDIRECTLY denying what she later expressed as, quote, the existence of a personal God, in the UNITY of Christ with His Father, and who is everywhere present by His Representative, the Holy Spirit (a clear plurality of individual persons, in unity). It was in direct reference to this alpha heresy then present, or the theory that God is an essence pervading all nature, that Mrs. White argued HYPOTHETICALLY that, quote:
The enemy of souls HAS SOUGHT [not will seek] to bring in the supposition that a great reformation WAS TO [not will] take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation WOULD CONSIST [not will consist] in us giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith
WERE THIS REFORMATION TO TAKE PLACE [not this reformation will take place] what WOULD RESULT [not will result]? The principles of truth, that God, in His wisdom has given the Remnant Church, WOULD BE [not will be] discarded. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED [not will be but would be changed if]
-Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, pg. 204
It is interesting how statements and words can be wrested from their tense, or twisted from their meaning, to mean something totally different from its original and intended meaning. This again amounts to denial and dishonesty, and breaks another rule of prophetic interpretation. Was this prophecy here declaring that the Adventist Church was *officially going to become a part of Babylon, and its religion was going to be changed, and fundamental doctrines were going to be given up? This can be forced upon its interpretation, or read into it, by those who fail to be careful readers, or by those who fail to be fully logical in their thinking, or by those who ignore the EGW prophecy about the SDA Church and Babylon which must be made compatible with any interpretation of this omega prophecy before us.
Here, in this above quote, Mrs. White was simply looking at the possibilities that would present themselves *if Dr. Kelloggs denial of the existence of a personal God, in the unity of Christ with His Father, and who are personally represented by the third person of the Godhead (the Holy Spirit), was allowed to take over the Church. Kellogg, in addition to his dangerous pantheistic teachings, also took issue with the Church over its government and leadership, and thus Mrs. White saw the danger posed by this influential and militant individual in the SDA Church. That was the essence of her reasoning here, and needs no further elucidation.
Another important rule of prophetic interpretation is: Study the representative features of one prophecy already fulfilled, in order to determine the features of another future prophecy yet unfulfilled, but which was compared to that prophecy. For example, studying the features of ancient literal Babylon will give valuable insights into the features of spiritual Babylon today. This can now be applied.
First of all, was the Seventh-day Adventist Church a part of spiritual Babylon during the alpha heresy? The answer is NO! So what should prevent the same application today? Thus the omega could also apply to individuals or movements within the SDA culture, even while the Church still remain separate from Babylon.
Secondly, since the alpha heresy denied, indirectly, the NATURE OF THE PRESENCE of the Father, and the Son in their representation in the third Person of the Godhead, truths already established in Adventism, then it is highly likely that the omega heresy would deny, probably directly, the personhood of one or more of the constituent persons in the Eternal Godhead, or deny already established and essential truths about them. But in all of this the Church would still not be a part of Babylon, just like in the alpha heresy. Dear reader, now judge for yourself, in the contemplation of the answers for the following questions, the possible fulfillment of the omega heresy.
POSSIBLE CLUES TO IDENTIFYING THE OMEGA HERESY TODAY
1. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, more than any other group, denying the personhood of the third Person of the Godhead?
2. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, denying, en masse, the fundamental root meanings in words and expressions long used in Adventism, as connected with the Godhead doctrine?
3. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, making the Godhead issue (the acceptance or rejection of a trinity of persons in the Eternal Godhead) a test? And not just a test of membership, but a test of Christian character, or a test of ones fitness for Heaven, in direct contrast to what the pioneers otherwise came to believe eventually?
4. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists today, making the Trinity issue (the acceptance of the word, no matter the version or explanation of it) grounds for condemnation, or as a test to determine ones fitness for Heaven, and also making it the chief error of Christendom, despite they can find no such precedence in, for example, Mrs. Whites or Uriah Smiths greatest works (Great Controversy, and Daniel and the Revelation) written when the Church was doctrinally mature?
5. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, denying that there were errors in the Churchs older literature, in contrast to what was so clearly stated by Mrs. White, and refusing to admit that there were errors on record, concerning even the Godhead issue? Who do we find *forgetting that what the Church was counseled to hold fast to, during the alpha heresy and after, was not necessarily everything said by the pioneers, but rather the principles that have stood the test, and which after the passing of time (or the Churchs gradual development) have been substantiated by the Spirit (by the writings of Mrs. White)? That is what was not to be denied, not even one jot or principle, according to Mrs. White. See Mrs. White in Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pages 57-58, and Selected Messages, Vol. 1, pgs. 199-200. Hear again the words of Mrs. White, about her writings:
All
truths are immortalized in my writings. The Lord never denies His word. Men may set up scheme after scheme, and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from many delusions that will come in these last days E.G. White- Manuscript Release, pg. 22, 23
6. Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, upon the false interpretation of Mrs. Whites prophecies, declaring that the Adventist Church is now a part of Babylon, in contradiction to her clear words to the contrary?
God is leading out a people. He has a chosen people, and a church on earth, which He has made the depositories of His Law. He has committed to them sacred trust and eternal truth to be given to the world. He would reprove and correct them. The message to the Laodecians is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light and have not walked in the light. It is those who have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed out of His mouth, unless they repent. *THE MESSAGE TO PRONOUNCE THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH BABYLON, AND CALL THE PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT COME FROM ANY HEAVENLY MESSENGER, OR ANY HUMAN AGENT INSPIRED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
-E.G. White- Testimonies to Ministers, Chapter 1
(Also quoted in The Remnant Church, pgs. 51, 52).
Dear reader, that is as plain and undeniable a declaration as the nose is on your face. This has no two meanings to it, no way to twist it to suit ones own private interpretation. That was Mrs. White who spoke in the authority of the Spirit. But there are some who may think that this statement was probably only applicable to her time. Let us see if that is true, in her following statements, quoted from the same source:
FOR YEARS I HAVE BORNE TESTIMONY TO THE EFFECT THAT WHEN ANY ARISE [at any time] CLAIMING TO HAVE GREAT LIGHT
WHO ASSERT THAT THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCHES CONSTITUTE BABYLON, OR ANY PART OF BABYLON, MIGHT BETTER STAY AT HOME
WHEN ANYONE ARISES [AT ANY TIME], EITHER *AMONG US OR OUTSIDE OF US, WHO IS BURDENED WITH A MESSAGE, WHICH DECLARES THAT THE PEOPLE OF GOD ARE NUMBERED WITH BABYLON, AND CLAIMS THAT THE LOUD CRY IS A CALL TO COME OUT OF HER, *[by this sign] YOU MAY KNOW THAT HE IS NOT BEARING THE MESSAGE OF TRUTH. RECEIVE HIM NOT, NOR BID HIM GODSPEED; FOR GOD HAS NOT SPOKEN BY HIM, NEITHER HAS HE GIVEN A MESSAGE TO HIM
Ibid- (same source)
Those who are guilty of fulfilling this very clear prophecy, what are they going to do? Ignore it? Explain it away, and silence their consciences? That would be foolish, and may spell their doom in the end! Dear reader, there are those who are so bent on fulfilling this prophecy that only God can help them to change their course, but only if they will let Him. This writer hopes they will take heed before it is too late!
Who do we find declaring that God has rejected the Adventist Church, and calls all to come out of her, in favor of membership in certain independent ministries, acting alone, even defying the General Conferences judgment on fundamental issues? Who do we find, among Seventh-day Adventists, building their foundation upon, and finding their greatest missionary work in, being accusers of the brethren, even defying the counsel in the very prophecy of the omega heresy not to, quote, enter into controversy over the presence and personality of God (or the Godhead)?
What is clear is that, historically, the Church has been opposed by individuals from within, or by those who apostatized, such as D.M. Canright. However, never before has there been such a growing, well-orchestrated and organized movement, aimed at discrediting the Church and its leadership, and calling people to come out of her. Never before has there been so many, originating from within the ranks of Adventism, declaring the Church a part of Babylon, and are doing so on *mainly the subject of the Godhead, a subject they were warned not to enter into controversy over. This development is indeed of a most startling nature, and has no other parallel in the Churchs history! No wonder Mrs. White then said that she trembled for our people, when she saw the future! Surely the Dragon is wroth with the Remnant
which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. See again Question 14 in this presentation.
Dear reader, the evident fulfillment of the foregoing is NOT FOUND IN THE *ORGANIZED S.D.A. CHURCH, or in the writings of Leroy Froom, but rather among its dissidents, and certain (not all) off-shoot and independent ministries. That is clear for all to see, and this writer would ask you to stop and consider where you stand on these issues, issues that are here so clearly outlined. May God open your eyes to a fresh perspective on these issues before it is too late!
[/i] _________________ Derrick Gillespie (Mr) |
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