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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:18 am    Post subject: Who is Biblically Described as God, or the Deity? Reply with quote

WHEN ADVENTISTS REFER TO “GOD” WHOM DO THEY MEAN?

Carefully note that the Adventist Church uses the word “God” to mean: (1) the person of “the Father”, and (2) the class of Heavenly persons who have the ‘divine nature’ (or ‘Godhead’), or natural divine substance, and is called “the Deity”.
The truth is that “God” for the Adventist refers to He who is called and identified by *the Bible as “LORD (Jehovah) God”, or “the I AM”. Principally and ultimately this refers to “the Father”
, but carefully note the following inescapable truth. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 distinctly declares that Satan will ‘oppose’, through false religion, * “ALL [plural] that is called God or that is worshipped”. Who is “called God”, and is to be “worshipped” or “served”, according to the Bible? Many fail to recognize the truth here, even though they read this passage over and over. This verse refers to the true God, not to false gods, despite various Bible commentaries have literally so translated this verse, simply because they recognize the inescapable, inherent or internal plural element in this verse. It is obvious that Satan would not “oppose” or “exalt himself” above false gods (his own inventions) since they fulfill his purpose, but clearly he has and always will continue be opposed to “ ALL that is called God” in the true and highest sense. Mrs. White sheds light on this verse in Chapter 3 of the book “Great Controversy”, by relating it specifically to the Jehovah Godhead. After quoting this verse, Mrs. White re-worded the very same verse this way:

“…Compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in… ‘the man of sin’ foretold in prophecy OPPOSING AND EXALTING HIMSELF AGAINST *GOD” [not ‘gods’, but the proper noun “God”].
-E.G. White- Great Controversy

See the first page, and pages 50-51, of Chapter 3 (or the whole chapter) of that book for confirmation of this truth. Yet notice that this verse distinctly refers to “all that is called God or that is worshipped”, a *PLURAL reference. The truth here is inescapable! The Apostle Paul knew that “GOD” to the Christian couldn’t be known or worshipped without an acceptance of the Father through the Son by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the Three Persons in the Godhead. Why? A few quotes will make you see the truth.

1. “Thou shalt worship the Lord (Jehovah) thy God [the Father] and Him *only shalt thou serve”- Jesus- Matthew 4:10

2. “And Thomas answered and said unto Him [Jesus] *MY LORD (Jehovah) and MY GOD [‘O Theos mou’, or ‘the God of me’]. Jesus said unto him, Thomas because thou hast seen ME, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen ME and yet have believed”[do you?]
- John 20:28
“ And again, when HE [the Father] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world [that is, into our world at Jesus’ incarnation], He saith, and let all the angels of God worship Him [Jesus, the man]”. –Hebrews 1:6

3. “The Spirit of the Lord spake by me’ and *HIS [the Spirit’s] word was in my tongue. The GOD of Israel [the Spirit] said, the Rock of Israel [the Spirit] spake by me...” David- 2 Samuel 23:2,3
“…Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost…thou hast not lied unto men but unto GOD [the Spirit]”. –Peter- Acts 5:3,4

But isn’t this confusing? Are there three (3) Lords (from "Kurios"), “LORD (Jehovah) God” or “God of Israel”? Is there more than one Person called “Jehovah God”? Are there others, in addition to the Father, truly called “GOD”, and “in the highest sense”, despite the Bible declare “one God, the Father”, as recorded in Deuteronomy 6:4 and 1Corintians 8:6? Let us see how Adventism historically saw the truth.
In 1872 Adventists declared in its ‘Fundamental Principles’ that, quote:
“There is One God, a personal spiritual being who is the Creator of all things…and is everywhere present by His Representative, the Holy Spirit”. However, the ‘official and inspired voice’ in Seventh-day Adventism subsequently (or later) made it clear that this *singular “PERSONAL GOD” exists from “all eternity” as a * “UNITY OF CHRIST WITH HIS FATHER”. Yes, a UNITY!! Here is this amazing truth again for you to contemplate dear reader:
***“The existence of a [singular] Personal God [not ‘personal Gods’] the UNITY OF Christ with His Father [a plurality of Persons] lies at the foundation of all true science [and true religion]”-E.G. White- Manuscript 30, Oct. 29,1904- quoted in “The Upward Look”(1986), pg. 316.

Note- Mrs. White commissioned a board of trustees to manage and publish even her unpublished writings. So the above quote is also pertinent and inspired, NOT ANOMALOUS!!

So the truth is that both Paul (1 Cor. 8:6) and ‘Spirit of Prophecy’ (Mrs. White’s writings) instruct the Seventh-day Adventist Church to recognize, by the authority of ‘scripture compared with scripture’, that our “Personal God” is clearly the Father, who has always been revealed in a UNITY with His eternal Son, and this “Personal God” is everywhere present by His very real and ‘Personal’ Representative, the Holy Spirit! The Three CANNOT be separated. This means that if the true God of the Bible is to be known and worshipped, one Person of the Godhead cannot be known without accepting and “serving” the others. That is why the Christian experience of God MUST be through the recognition of a ‘TRI-UNITY’ (unity of a “Trio” of Persons) in the Godhead. THE EARLIST CHRISTIANS NEVER FAILED TO RECOGNIZE THIS.
Clearly “GOD” is the Father, “Jehovah” or the “I AM” by name, but is eternally and inseparably united with His Spirit and His Son, who are also “GOD” in nature and authority. The Person we now know as Jesus is the Eternal Son. He is also “truly God” in the “highest sense”. He is “THE ONLY ONE PERFECT PHOTOGRAPH OF GOD” (said E.G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, pg. 906). As a separate Person, He functions as “the Everlasting Father” (Isaiah 9:6) and, “from all eternity”, is Himself also called “Jehovah” or the “I AM”, seemingly given this name, BUT “from all eternity” by the Father. Note the following Biblical truth, and supporting “Spirit of Prophecy” testimony:

“But unto the Son [Jesus] He [the Father] saith, Thy throne *O God is forever…And Thou *LORD [“Jehovah”- from Ps. 102:1, 25] in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth ”-Hebrews 1:8,10.

“Hosea will tell you, He [Jesus] is ‘the LORD [Jehovah] God of Hosts, The LORD [the name Jehovah] is His memorial’, Hosea 12:5”
E.G. White- Desire of Ages, pg. 578-579


So it becomes clear that Jesus, by a “mysterious” eternal unity with the Father, is not just God in nature, having the true “God” identity (condition or nature) by way of His association and relationship with the Father, but is also “God” in equal *AUTHORITY and function , even though He is not the Father in Person (who is often just called “God”, simply because he never became man like Jesus). That is part of the “mystery of godliness”. Note carefully below how true Adventism sees Jesus as “God”:


“Think of the life of Moses…Paul in his epistle to the Hebrews says, ‘for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible [Hebrews 11:27]. Moses had a deep sense of the presence of GOD. He saw GOD. He was not only looking down through the ages to a Christ that would be revealed [God manifested], but [in reality, and at that very time] he saw Christ [God] in a special manner accompanying the children of Israel in all their travels [1Corintians10: 1-5]. God [Christ] was real to Him and present in his thoughts. When called upon to face danger…for Christ’s [God’s] sake, he was persevering… God [Christ] was to Him a present help in every time of need”.
-E.G. White-Letter 42, April 7, 1886; or in “The Upward Look” (1986) pg. 111.

“Papal [Roman Catholic] priests pretended… to convert the simple bread and wine into the actual ‘body and blood of *CHRIST’… with blasphemous presumption, they openly claim to the power of creating *GOD [Christ], the Creator of all things…”
-E.G. White- Great Controversy, pgs. 59-60

Notice that Mrs. White saw Jesus as God, to the point where the words “Christ” and “God” were interchangeable to her without any need for clarification. Jesus was, and is God, *just like the Father!! That is why the Pope could assume the place of God by pretending to be, not the Father, but another Jesus (2 Thess. 2:4), thus (in effect) equating himself with the Father. But the question is, was Jesus just “God” on earth on behalf of His (unseen) Father, or in His Father’s ‘absence’, but is not “God” in His Father’s presence along with Him in Heaven? Note again what Adventists really believe:

“From everlasting [Micah 5:2/Psalms 93:2] He [Jesus] was the Mediator of the Covenant [Hebrews 7:3]… was *GOD essentially and *IN THE HIGHEST [nothing higher] SENSE… [existing] from *ALL ETERNITY GOD OVER ALL [Rom. 9:5]… a distinct [separate] Person, yet one [united] with the Father”.
-E.G. White- Review and Herald, April, 1906

“The Son of God was the acknowledged *SOVEREIGN [‘supreme ruler’] of Heaven, *ONE [equal and united] in power and *AUTHORITY with the Father”. –E.G. White- Great Controversy, pg. 494

“Christ ascended to Heaven [after coming to earth as God] amidst a cloud of angels who glorified Him saying ‘who is this King of Glory?’ [so He is not just ‘Prince of Heaven’] And from thousand times ten thousands the answer comes, the LORD [Jehovah], *HE [Jesus] IS the King of Glory”.
-E.G. White- Signs of the Times, May 10, 1899 and *Desire of Ages, pgs. 832-833

That is very clear dear reader about Jesus and the Father * BOTH being recognized and served as “God over all” and as “Jehovah”. The fact that Jesus was pictured as being ‘given all things’ by the Father, does not diminish, even by one iota, His equality with the Father in the office of being “GOD over all”, and Him being such from *ALL eternity, whether He is in or out of the Father’s immediate presence. No true Adventist would deny this truth!
But the next obvious question is, WHY DO ADVENTISTS ALSO REGARD AND SERVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AS GOD?Here is the absolute, undeniable historic and Biblical truth in the following references:

“When we have accepted Christ, and in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy spirit, have pledged ourselves to *SERVE [worship] [1] God, the Father, [2] Christ and [thirdly] *THE HOLY SPIRIT, the Three Dignitaries [‘Persons of important position, high rank or office’-Oxford dictionary] and Powers of Heaven, pledge Themselves that every facility shall be given us if we carry out our…vows”
-E.G. White- Manuscript 85,1901

“God is Spirit…” -John 4:24
“The Lord is the Spirit…” - 2 Cor. 3:17,18
“The Spirit of the Lord [is]…The God of Israel… [and] the Rock of Israel…” –2 Samuel 23:2,3
“…To lie to the Holy Ghost? Thou has…lied to GOD” -Acts 5:3,4,9
“Thou shalt worship [only] the Lord thy God [who “is the Spirit”] and Him *only shalt thou *SERVE” [worship] -Matthew 4:10

Now *if the Holy Spirit is not to be “SERVED” Mrs. White was in serious error. But clearly she is not, since the Bible, as shown above, supported her, as is similarly the case with the modern Adventist. The above references, among others, clearly show why Mrs. White could make such an amazing statement. The Holy Spirit is God, seemingly even pictured literally as the Father Himself!! Notice carefully however that the Holy Spirit is mentioned separately and specifically by her to be worthy of ‘service’, due only to “all that is called God, or that is worshipped” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) in the Godhead. Much more will be said on the Holy Spirit, but later in this presentation. But for emphasis here, it must be reiterated that:
OUR “PERSONAL GOD” IS THE FATHER *IN UNITY WITH HIS ETERNAL SON, AND IS EVERYWHERE PRESENT BY THE REPRESENTATION OF THE “THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD”, THE VERY REAL AND PERSONAL HOLY SPIRIT, WHO MUST ALSO BE “SERVED” AS GOD!
Put another way, the Three Persons are called “GOD” (in nature), not ‘gods’, because the One “true God” the Father is, by His very nature, revealed in and worshipped through His Eternal Son, and is present everywhere and “served” through His Holy Spirit, “the Third Person of the Godhead”.
This was the teaching of the earliest Christians *long before the Papacy and Roman Catholicism was born in the fourth century after Constantine became “Christian” (signaling the birth of Roman Catholicism). The historical evidence is undeniable:

100 A.D.
“Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to ‘baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,’ not unto one [one person, as in Sabellian ‘modalism’] having three names, nor into three [persons] who became incarnate, but into three [persons] possessed of *EQUAL HONOR”.
- Ignatius, Letter to the Ephesians, Chapter 2
150 A.D.
“Both Him [the Father], and the Son… AND the prophetic Spirit, we worship and adore”- Justin Martyr, First Apology, Chapter 17
150 A.D.
“I praise you [the Father] for all things, I bless you, I glorify you, along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, with whom, to you AND the Holy Spirit be glory both now, and to all coming ages. Amen!” –Polycarp of Smyrna, Martyrdom of Polycarp, Chapter 14
180 A.D.
“The THREE days [separate entities], which were before the luminaries [the fourth day Creation of sun, moon, etc.], are types [symbols] of the *Trinity [‘triavdo’- Greek], of God [the Father], and His Word [Jesus], and His Wisdom [Spirit]. And the fourth [day] is the type [symbol] of man, who needs light…”
- Theophilus of Antioch, Chapter 15, Of the Fourth Day, To Autolycus, 2:15
190 A.D.
“I understand nothing else than the Holy *TRINITY [‘triavdo’] to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father [the first Person]”.
-Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, Book 5, Chapter 14
200 A.D.
“See, brethren, what a rash and audacious dogma they [Sabellian ‘modalists’] have introduced, when they say without shame, the Father is Himself Christ, Himself the Son, Himself was born… But this is not so. The Scriptures speak what is right; but Noetus [a ‘modalist’ heretic] is of a different mind from them [the Scriptures]… For who will not say that there is one God? Yet he will not on that account deny the economy (i.e. the number and disposition of [three] persons in the *TRINITY [‘triavdo’]” - Hippolytus, Against the Heresy of One Noetus
150 A.D
“[the Father in Creation] conversed with Someone [the pre-incarnate Jesus] *numerically distinct from Himself, and also a rational being…”- Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho,
Chapter 62
200 A.D.
“All Scriptures give clear proof of the *Trinity [‘trinitas’- Latin], and it is from these that our principle is deduced… the distinction of the Trinity is quite clearly displayed” - Tertullian, Against Praxeas, Chapter 11

“That there are two Gods and two Lords, however, is a statement which we will never allow to issue from our mouth; not as if the Father and the Son were not God, nor the Spirit, God… [but] when Christ would come, He might be acknowledged as God, and be called Lord, because He is the Son of Him who is both God and Lord” - Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 13:6
So the Christians nearest the Bible apostles taught a trinity, but denied a plurality of Gods.

The idea of ‘gods’ in the Godhead is one of Satan’s first lies told on earth. This lie, recorded distinctly in Genesis 3:5, and illuminated in E.G. White’s, “Great Controversy”, pgs. 532-533, is one which he told because he knew that more than one Person in the Godhead is properly called “GOD”(Gen. 3:22), but also knowing that a misunderstanding of *the unity is what would cause us to falsely see Them either as separate ‘gods’ or worse, as a monstrous ‘three headed’ individual being (organism). This lie (counterfeit) is found in almost all ancient religions of the world, simply because, by his knowledge of the real truth, Satan was able to plant the ‘seed of misunderstanding’.
Why is there such a coincidence of ‘divine threes’ in counterfeit religions? Evidently it was by Satan’s influence (himself knowing the truth about the true Godhead of “constituent Persons”) that these ancient pagan religions unwittingly recognized that truly there is a plurality of persons in the Godhead, but unfortunately the persons are either seen as ‘gods’, or God is seen as a personal being (personality) with three forms!
No Christian should therefore seek to promote these pagan lies, or on the other hand go to the other extreme of unwittingly opposing “all that is called God” (2 Thessalonians 2:4), in the Persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, simply because they cannot understand how, when the Three are spiritually united in the Godhead, 1x1x1 =1(one) God, and not 1+1+1=3(three) gods.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that Paul's statement in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is based on Daniel 11:36.

"who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
2 Thessalonians 2:4. NKJV.

"Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done."
Daniel 11:36. NKJV.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:50 pm    Post subject: A “STRANGE GOD” IN APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY! - Daniel 11:36-39 Reply with quote

Eugene Shubert wrote:
I believe that Paul's statement in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is based on Daniel 11:36.

"who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
2 Thessalonians 2:4. NKJV.

"Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done."
Daniel 11:36. NKJV.


Dear Eugene,
I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding the connection between Daniel 11: 36 and 2 Thess. 2:4. I however don't know what was the purpose of pointing this out to me, in response to my earlier post about who is Biblically called God. Since, to me, this just really served to be simply a 'point of information' for the users of this forum (since I already knew that), I will extend the issue a little further, and present a paper I wrote some time ago showing the connection between DANIEL 11:36 and 2 THESSALONIANS 2:4. It should be much food for thought for our readers on the matter of the Godhead and the Papacy.

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A “STRANGE GOD” IN APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY!

(CRITICAL INSIGHTS ON DANIEL 11:36-39)

PART 1

Introduction:

Many past and present scholars of the Bible, including Seventh-day Adventists, recognize that the ‘parallel’ prophecies of Daniel 2, 7, 8, and 11 clearly identify the Papacy as the “little horn”, “the Man [system] of sin”, or “the [specific] Antichrist” (not an “antichrist” as the many of 1 John 2:18,22). It is felt by many that Daniel 11:36-39, in particular, highlights the fact that that “he [the system] shall acknowledge and increase with glory”, what is Biblically called, “a strange god”, “a god whom his fathers [Christian forerunners] knew not”. Who or what is this “strange god”.
Now as is the case with certain Bible prophecies, in which certain details have no clear-cut interpretation, various alternate ones can, and have been advanced over time. However, through careful Biblical and historical analysis it is possible to determine which is the most suitable interpretation (or interpretations, as more than one application might be possible, within good reason), and which interpretation (s) ‘fails’ the test of application.

Interpretations Advanced – An Outline:
1. The invading Syrian king, Antiochus IV, “Epiphanes” (self titled “a god manifested”), who placed an idol (Zeus) in the Jewish temple before the Christian era (C.E. or B.C.)

2. France in its eighteenth century Revolution abolishing all religion and honoring atheism (belief in no God), and human reason as a personified ‘god’ or ‘goddess’

3. The Papacy or Roman Catholic state religion introducing and honoring, as God (not just as “a god”):
[a] The Pope himself
The Virgin Mary, and
[c] The Trinity (three personalities) of the Godhead

Now let us, through the process of elimination, first determine which applications are unsuitable.
[b]IF IT DOESN’T FIT…


Antiochus “Epiphanes”-
Some scholars see Antiochus IV, the Greco-Syrian king attacking the Jews (in the second century B.C.), and, for a time, briefly subverting their religion, and defiling their temple with a Greek god, as the fulfillment of the prophecy (of Daniel 11:36-39) years before Jesus came. However, the words of Jesus, whom Christians believe to be the “fountain of all knowledge”, declared that the introduction of the “abomination” by a state power into the “holy place” was still future in A.D. 31 when He spoke about the meaning of this same prophecy. See Matthew 24:15 and Mark13: 14 (clearly referring to the “abomination” introduced among God’s people, in the temple, as in Dan. 8:13, and 11:31). Who better to take a cue from, but Jesus Himself?
The apostle Paul also refers directly to Daniel 11:36-39, in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and 4, indicating that the introduction of the “abomination” into the “holy place” was still future in his time (after Jesus), but was to come shortly, and would be someone or something “sitting [taking up residence] in the temple of God showing himself [being falsely paraded] that he is God”. Paul, however, felt that in his time “the mystery of iniquity” was already at work (2 Thess. 2:7, 8), and thus could not be very far after 51 A.D. when he wrote 2 Thessalonians.
Notice Jesus applied the prophecy literally to the destruction of Jerusalem, and the temple under Rome, while Paul applies it symbolically to something residing “in the temple”, under the Roman system ruling for several centuries thereafter. Since the temple has not existed since A.D. 70, then clearly the “temple” in this prophecy cannot be future to the year 2000, as some believe, since Jesus identified the state power related to the prophecy at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, that is, *Rome, which ruled for hundreds of years after, the same power which would still be in power when the “man of man” came on the scene to reside in the “temple” after Paul’s time. Paul shows clearly that the “man [system] of sin” had to be near Paul’s time, under the long lasting Roman system, since the developments were already taking place (2 Thessalonians 2:7) and the system would remain in place until the end.
Since at the destruction of Jerusalem, the temple neither remained in place, nor did the Romans at that time (A.D. 70) set up a residing idol in the temple, then Jesus simply meant to identify the power as the “abomination of desolation”(in Mark 13:14) that would later take up residence in another kind of “temple”, the Church of God!
See 1 Peter 2:5, 9 and 10 on this ‘after-the-cross’ reality.
Also, since a “king” or “horn” (“the man of sin”) in Daniel’s prophecy always symbolically refers to a system or kingdom, then one Syrian king (who was two centuries too early on the scene) could NEVER be the correct application.
Interestingly, the same collective use of “he” and “him” for all humanity, God’s “image” (Gen 1:26, 27) in Genesis 3:22-24 (Gen 5: 1, 2 with Gen. 6:5-7) and Psalms 8: 4-8, is carried through to the prophecies of Daniel, where a whole system of people, in a kingdom, is referred to as “he”, or “him”. Keep that thought in mind as we look at the Godhead later, as a group of personalities.
Finally, this ‘one-person’ application to Antiochus fails the test of the Bible because, as a pagan foreigner who never became converted, he never had the same “fathers” as the people of God (see Daniel 11:37).

The French Revolution:
France, in its greatest period of political, cultural and religious revolution (after 1789), BRIEFLY abolished all religion, including Christianity, and put in its place a system of atheism (no belief in God), and the honoring of the “goddess of reason”, or human will and wisdom. Some scholars, like Uriah Smith, an Adventist pioneer, in his book “Daniel and the Revelation”, make this application (see Smith on Daniel 11:36-39), and while it is a respected application (satisfying certain predictions in the prophecy), it too fails to take certain things into account. These considerations, in addition to some already mentioned under “Antiochus”, are as follows:

[a] Paul, an inspired Bible writer, clearly shows that the power which “exalts himself [itself] above all that is called God” (a direct quote from Daniel 11:36, in 2 Thess. 2:4), is a system having the same “fathers”[forerunners] as God’s people, and is “sitting [abiding] in the temple of God, showing himself [itself] that he is God”. This clearly means it cannot be an atheistic (or non-religious) power. Only Jews and Christians can claim “the temple”, and the same “fathers”, as it relates to this prophecy!!
If this power was not to “regard [respect] any god” (Daniel 11:37), it would do so only by “magnifying himself [itself] above all”, that is, “all [plural] that is called God [capitalized], or that is worshipped” (2 Thess. 2:4), and also above “every god” [common letters], as in Daniel 11:36; not by denying their existence or abolishing them! This, coupled with the following, makes France an unsuitable candidate.

The prophecy of Daniel in 11:36-39, is clearly a continuation from verse 31, which shows this same Roman power as the “abomination of desolation” identified by Jesus in Mark 13:14, a power which both Paul and Daniel show will somehow manage to run it course almost uninterrupted, in terms of influence, until the “fiery indignation be accomplished” at the end (Dan. 11:36 compared with Dan. 7: 11, 2 Thess. 1:7-9 and 2 Thess. 2:7,8).
Clearly Jesus was referring to Rome, not France, as the “desolating” power of Daniel, because it is the only political power that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple of the Jews, after his time, and continued, first in its pagan stage and then in its papal (Roman Catholic) stage, all the while associated with God’s people and His “temple” throughout the Christian era, until “the fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries” (Hebrews 10:27), “at the time of the end” (Dan. 11:35,36). Compare Daniel 7:11, 26 and 2 Thessalonians 2:7, 8). Only one “fiery indignation” is “AT THE END” in Daniel!
Is it not true that the Papacy (Roman Catholic system) is still, today, a political power with widespread religious influence, having its own country, the smallest in the world (the Vatican), among a “sea” of nations and people? Is it not true that it directly inherited its power from Rome, and was the most powerful force in European history for over a thousand years? France does not fulfill this specification of having such a *long life span (as an atheistic nation) which had such widespread influence until the “fiery indignation” of “the end”! However the Papacy does, and clearly will continue to do so until “the end”.

[b] PAPAL ROME CONSIDERED:


As we have seen so far, only Rome, as a “kingdom”, or “king” in Daniel’s symbolism, fulfills the criteria of having the longest life span, and the most widespread influence, and Rome, as a conquering empire, became Christian, and thus had the same “fathers” as the people of God. See Romans 9:24-26 (written by Paul a Roman citizen).
But more importantly, only Rome, in its papal (Roman Catholic) stage, which at no time was it ever atheistic (having no God, or religion), could ever fulfill the specification of “sitting in [abiding in or associated with] the temple [Church] of God”, for a long time, that is, since Paul’s time to the present time.
Some wise person once said, “ if the cap fits wear it” and “if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it is a duck!! Clearly this prophetic “duck” has “quacked” loudly, even in blasphemous tones (as we shall see)!!
So let us now turn to this application, which seems to be the most suitable, compared to the first two. And in dealing with the details of this application, a few questions need to be asked at this point, to test further whether there is any way the application may not be ‘airtight’.

Critical Questions to Ask About The Papacy:
1. Has the Papacy (the papal system of Roman Catholicism) as a “kingdom” ever:
[a] “magnified himself [itself] above every god” [common, “god”]- Dan. 11:36-7
endeavored to “speak marvelous things against [i.e. in dishonor of] the God [capitalized] of gods”- verse 36
[c] “acknowledged” a “strange god”, “whom his [its] fathers [forerunners] never knew”- verse38

2. If, since the cross, the Christian Church is symbolically the “temple of God”, can we correctly think of persons (plural) referred to as “every god”, and, notice, “all [plural] that is called God”, being in that “temple”; persons plural enough for the Papacy to have magnified “himself [itself] above [them] all”? Is not this a clear reference to a plurality of persons “called God” (capitalized), and also referred to as “every god” (common noun)?


[b]LUCIFER’S ADGENDA AS COUNTERFEITER:


The simple answer for all of the above questions is YES (!!), if one takes the Bible (and history) as it reads. Read any good history book on the Papacy, and see again 2 Thess. 2:4, and compare with Daniel 11:37.
Now, this “yes” answer to the above questions must have first considered whom the Bible is referring to as “the God of gods”, and also “every god”, or “any god”. If the “king” or papal system is a ‘Christian’ system in name, then the focus of the prophecy could not be false, pagan gods, because:
[a] Satan, working through (Rev. 13:2) this system, would never exalt himself above false gods, his own inventions, and
Only One truly called “God”, or is the “God of gods” would be dishonored by this system “sitting in the temple of God showing himself that he is God”, while disregarding “every god”. That was Paul’s specific application, in the Bible itself, and explains very much.
Satan would do the same thing on earth that he tried to accomplish in heaven, that is, corrupt (like himself) an originally perfect and glorious creation of God, that is, the Church (!!), and use it to try and displace its Creator, that is, through it he would “sit in the seat of God” in the “mount of the congregation” (the temple, God’s dwelling place), and exalt it above the fellow “stars” of God (remember, both angels and men are called “stars”, and “gods”). See Is.14: 12-14 and Ez. 28: 2,12-15 on Satan’s original ‘blue print’ of rebellion; which reveals much about how he operates through proud earthly systems of power. FOR THE VERY ENLIGHTENING CONCLUSION TO THIS PRESENTATION, PLEASE BE SURE TO READ PART 2 (below), ON “SATAN THE USURPER, AND THE ‘MYSTERY OF INIQUITY”. IS THE TRINITY THE “STRANGE GOD” IN APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY?
READ ON!



A “STRANGE GOD” IN APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY!

(CRITICAL INSIGHTS ON DANIEL 11:36-39)


PART 2


[b]SATAN THE USURPER, AND THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY:


Fallen Christianity, described as “Babylon” (‘religious confusion’) in Revelation 18:2,4 was clearly once a part of God’s true Church, having the same “fathers”, the same “light”, and “voice” as the early Christians (Rev. 18:23 and Dan. 11:37). It was a pure “virgin”, but became a “harlot” (a “fallen” woman) in symbol- “Babylon”!! See Isaiah 47:1-9 compared with Revelation 17:1-6, and remember that a “woman” in prophecy is a church, and only one Church was also a political empire in all of history- the Roman Catholic Church after emperor Constantine. This Church even wanted to be like the “I AM” or like God (see Is. 47:8), and thus was, gradually, no longer suitable to be a “virgin” bride for God, or Christ (Is. 47:3,4).
Every student of history knows that Roman Catholicism was virtually the visible Christian Church, in name, for over one thousand years after Constantine I made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire, but he tried to mix politics and religion, and to mix Christianity’s teachings with those of pagan Rome, to suit the masses. Thus it gradually became a “fallen” Church, mixing light and darkness, as it were. But how did it aspire to be like God, and how did it introduce “a strange god” (Daniel 11:36-39)?
TO UNDERSTAND SATAN AT WORK THROUGH THIS SYSTEM, GO BACK TO PART 1, AND BE SURE TO READ “LUCIFER’S ADGENDA”, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THAT PRESENTATION. WAS FRANCE, ANTIOCHUS IV, OR THE TRINITY RELATED TO THE “STRANGE GOD”? SEE PART 1 BEFORE PROCEEDING TO KNOW THE REAL TRUTH!

THE “STRANGE GOD” ENTERS

Every student of history and Bible Prophecy knows that the Papacy, as a Christian institution (in name), ascribed to itself and its leadership (the Pope) titles and prerogatives belonging only to Personalities of the Godhead.
It should be remembered that only by assuming the place of Christ (Jesus Himself), who is also called “I AM” (John 8:58,59) could the Pope ever present himself as the “Vicar of the Son of God” (or Vicarius Felii Dei), and thus style himself as “another God on earth”, the “Holy Father” (after Jesus’ title, “Everlasting Father” in Is. 9:6). You will notice, dear reader that the Person being (supposedly)‘unseated’, as “God”, is Christ, and in His own Church!!
Only by teaching falsely that Peter (a man), not the Holy Spirit, succeeded Christ as the Supreme Leader of the Church (Doctrine of “Apostolic Succession”) could this system ever have a man “sit in the seat of God” (Ez. 28:2), in His “Temple” (2 Thess. 2:4), the Church, and claim rights belonging only to divinity. Paul, and Peter, all the early apostles, and the second century “Apostolic Fathers” knew not of this “strange god”.
Only by pretending to have the rights and power of God could Roman Catholic priests claim to have the power to forgive sins, or even worse, claim to have the power to literally create Christ from the bread and wine, and then crucify Him, at the Mass, that is “creating God [Christ], the Creator of all things” (see Ellen White, Great Controversy, 1911, pgs. 59-60). What “blasphemous presumption”!!
Only by falsely teaching that the Pope is “infallible” (when speaking “ex cathedra”), in his office of being Christ’s representative could the Roman Catholic Church claim to do what even God will never do, that is, change His Laws. But the Papacy proudly boasts that this it had the divine right to do, even if the Bible commanded no such change. This is the worst form of blasphemy, because only if the pope was higher than God, in authority, could he claim power to adjust or amend His Ten Commandments, which God will never change (see Matt. 7:15-18, and Rom. 3:31). A “strange god” in action indeed, because One truly called “God” would be the “same yesterday, today, and forever”!! Thank God the warning about this attempted change was given long ago (Dan. 7:25)!!
Lest it be forgotten, it must be remembered too that Roman Catholics also ascribed Divine prerogatives to Mary, who they claim is now (after her bodily “assumption”, or resurrection) in heaven as “the Mother of God”, and who, more often than not, receives more attention (from Roman Catholics) than Christ her Son, God, and Savior. Is it not true that she is seen as the living Queen of heaven, and is referred to more in prayer than even the members of the Godhead? Another “strange god” indeed, especially considering that she is, today, dead and “asleep” in her grave!!
Now, what about the Trinity (three personalities) of the Godhead? Isn’t this also a “strange god” which the “fathers knew not”? This is the claim of some scholars, but, while this aspect of the matter will be analyzed more carefully towards the end of this discourse, note carefully the following at this point:

THE TRINITY- CRITICAL HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS:

1. In just the same way there was no Jew until Abraham; there was no true “Roman Catholic” (of the Papacy) until the conversion of Constantine (after 312 A.D.), and the making of Christianity into the official state religion of the Roman Empire (thus forming “Christendom”). Before that, all Christians were just simply that; “Christians” (of Antioch, Rome, or wherever), even being persecuted and martyred by pagan Rome itself, up to Constantine. e.g. Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Polycarp, Peter, Paul, John (all martyrs under Rome)

2. Also, the Papacy (the supreme rule of the Pope through the Roman Catholic Church), or the “little horn” in prophecy, had no real separate existence as a political force until after the collapse of the political Roman Empire under the emperors, thus “coming up after” the “ten kingdoms” arising out of the collapsed Roman Empire after 476 A.D. There was therefore no true Papacy or “little horn” until the emperors all passed of the scene, despite popes (very important Roman bishops) existed in the Western part of the Roman Empire before this reality.


3. Thus it is not true to say that the trinity doctrine was “invented” by the Roman Catholics and the Papacy, since many early Christian writers such as Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Polycarp, Tertullian in the West, Origen in the East, Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Athenagoras, Gregory Thaumaturgus, Clement of Alexandria etc. (called “Apostolic Fathers”, and, or “Church Fathers”) existed during the period covering the stages of the Christian Church called “Ephesus” and “Smyrna”, from about 60 –313 A.D., and they wrote about the basic truths of the trinity doctrine, if even in rudimentary form, long before the Roman Catholic system of state religion was founded. During this time the word “trinity”, and concepts of the “eternal co-existence”, and unity of “substance” of the “distinct” Persons of the Godhead already existed alongside basic Arian concepts (evident in early Christian doxologies and written expressions).
The Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. only provided a ‘universal’ or ‘catholic’ (not Roman Catholic), and thus a non-denominational Christian Conference for the airing of the views of Trinitarians and Arians alike. Too many try to confuse people with the simple noun ‘catholic’!! A pope was not even present at Nicea, and those bishops who could (at this early stage) be called “Roman Catholics” of the West numbered less than 10 out of over 300 bishops (Christian pastors) in attendance. Later, despite Nicea, semi-Arianism even became the official doctrine of Rome for a time, after Constantine. Interesting!! The facts of history are so telling, when properly understood.


The Biblical Basis for the Trinity:

Wasn’t it Paul who (long before ‘Nicea’) clearly wrote about the unity of the Personalities of the Godhead in 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, in a way similar to the unity of the members of the Church, depicted by the unity of the members of “one body” (in the same passage of 1 Cor. 12). Thus, the head, the arm, the hand and fingers, all have different offices, but belong to the same united body. They are distinct, but inseparable, constituent, and intrinsic members (see the word “intrinsic” in a good dictionary).
One Seventh-day Adventist pioneer, E.J. Waggoner, saw this truth, and once referred to the “constituent”, and intrinsic “Persons of the Eternal Godhead” as being so perfectly united that they have the same Spirit (Christ and His Righteousness, 1890). Paul even alluded to Christ, “the arm of the Lord” (Isaiah 53:1 and 52:10), as being “headed” by the Father, in 1Cor. 11:3, with both working in perfect unity with the Holy Spirit, the “hand of the Lord” (Ez. 8:1-5) or the “finger of God” (Luke 11:20). No one should venture to say that Christ, the “arm of the Lord” is not a separate personality from the Father, likewise the Holy Spirit, the “hand of the Lord” (see Is. 48:16). What a beautiful portrayal of the divine “Head”, “Arm”, and “Hand” or “Finger”, all distinct Personalities in the unity of the Godhead; illustrations coming long before the “strange god” arrived on the scene!!
So would the “Apostolic Fathers” and early Apostles see the doctrine of the unity of the Godhead personalities, illustrated like the members of “one body”, as a “strange god” (according to the view of some)? Clearly there is cause for doubting this view. Apostolic writings say otherwise. And remember too that Church members, and married couples, are depicted just like the members of the Godhead, that is, distinct as personalities, but being in perfect unity, as being of one substance; only that Man is flesh and blood, and God is spirit, in substance. Unity of the Godhead’s spirit substance still remains mysterious in nature, despite evident similarities in the human sphere.
See 1 Cor.11: 3 / 1 Cor.12 and Eph. 5:23-30.Thus to say that the doctrine of the “three persons in the Godhead” is a “strange god”, “whom the fathers knew not” is met with strong Biblical, and historical arguments against this interpretation from the very outset. However, more will be said about that later.

EXALTING THE “STRANGE GOD”:

Thus, only by claiming to be the Representative of Jesus (not just the Father) could the Pope “sit in the seat of God” (Ez. 28:2), and only by changing His Law could he “exalt himself above [now notice] all that is called God”, and “speak marvelous things against [i.e. dishonoring or disrespectfully displacing] the God of gods”.
Do you remember, dear reader, that Jesus is Biblically called “Lord of lords” (Revelation 17:14), that is, He is supreme to all “gods” and “lords” (living or dead), since 1 Cor. 8:5 shows that many earthly “gods” or “lords” (similar in meaning) exist by Man’s creation. Pharaohs, Caesars, and even Antiochus IV, “Epiphanies” (mentioned earlier in Part 1), all tried to be living “gods”, and divine “lords”, but Jesus is the “God of gods”, just like His Father with whom He is equal. Jesus only now worships the Father, as His God, simply because He became a man, and patterns His “brethren” (Israel and Christians) in everything. See Hebrews 2:11-14 for this explosive Bible truth.
Which human can take Jesus’ place in authority? None! But doesn’t Jesus Himself say that men among his brethren are “gods”? Yes, but only in a certain context. And this is the key which unlocks much of the truth in Daniel 11:39-36.
See John 10:34,35, and Psalm 82:1, 6,7 where leaders of Israel (priests and elders), like Moses (Ex. 7:1) were appointed as human “gods”. But they must have been appointed directly by the Godhead, not by their false pretence, and their prerogatives were limited. Human “gods” are never, and can never be divine, in natural substance or authority, like the members of the Godhead.
Thus the Papacy is so wrong to elevate the pope (literally) on a throne to a level equal with Christ, that is, when he functions “ex cathedra” in his office.

The Papacy Rivaling The “God of gods”- The Trinity Revealed:

Clearly, two main things are taught by the Bible in Daniel 11:36-39:

[a] Since Jewish kings, priests, and elders (all leaders) were called “gods” in ancient Israel, representing the people before God, the Papal system has effectively, since the great apostasy in Christianity, “exalted himself [itself]…above every god” [common noun] by eclipsing the truth that every Christian is now (since Calvary) a “king” (“god” in symbol) and “priest”, representing himself before the “throne of grace”.
See Revelation 1:6, and 1 Peter 2:5, compared with Hebrews 4:16, and Ephesians 2:18 for this Biblical truth. No Christian needs an earthly priest since he (himself) is a “priest”, and Jesus is his “Chief Priest”, and His God, the “God of [human] gods” (John 20:28 and Daniel 11:36).

Secondly, Paul, in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 (quoting directly from Daniel 11:36), teaches that a plurality of personalities is in the Godhead, by showing the Pope also “exalting himself above all [plural] that is called God, or that is worshipped”. Notice that the plurality is about “all that is called [referred to by the title] God”, not a plurality of “Gods”. Parallel illustration? All that is called “Man”, or humanity, is a plurality of individuals, yet there still remains a numeric oneness of humanity. There is (only) one humanity, as there is (only) one divinity, or Godhead, but within the one existence, or specie, is a group of persons.
It is self-evident that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 could not be about human “gods”, but, rather, the “God of gods”. Note the qualification made by Paul- “that [which] is worshipped” in “the temple of God” is what the Papacy “exalts himself [itself] above”. This becomes even more interesting!!

[b]MRS. WHITE SHEDS FURTHER LIGHT:


Mrs. White, the main Adventist writer, in The Great Controversy, pages 50-51, says (rightly) that this particular verse (2 Thess. 2:4) shows “… ‘the man of sin’ foretold in prophecy as opposing [rivaling] and exalting himself above God” [singular]. And yet in the Greek it is written with an inherent plural shade of meaning, as it relates to the Godhead (indicated by various Bible commentaries). Clearly, she reworded “all [plural] that is called God”, to mean simply “God” [singular]. She does the same thing, in commenting on Genesis 3:5, in the same book, on pages 531-532, about Satan tempting man to be like “gods” (the words of Satan), at a time when only the concept of only one Godhead existed in the mind of man; the same Godhead speaking inclusively as an “us” (Gen.3: 22-24). That is what is meant by plurality in unity, and unity in plurality, as it concerns the personalities [plural] of the Godhead [singular], not Gods of the Godhead.
Have you ever wondered, dear reader, why Satan, who knew the real truth about the makeup of the Godhead, influenced so many counterfeit trios and triads (divine threes) in false religions? Have you ever wondered why Jesus limited the Godhead to three Personalities with one family “name”? Have you considered that these same three Personalities Mrs. White could not escape the reality of, and had to write about them as the “Heavenly Trio” of “ three living personalities”? See a common thread throughout? Thus if the trinity was a “strange” concept to the Bible then Mrs. White would write against it in clear unmistakable tones, calling it by name! She would be duty bound to name this “strange god”! Did she? Well let the facts speak for themselves to all true Adventist, and non-Adventist readers.
*BOTH THE POPE AND THE VIRGIN MARY ARE ASCRIBED DIVINE AND ROYAL TITLES THE EARLY CHRISTIANS, OR “FATHERS”, NEVER KNEW, AND ARE WORSHIPPED, OR HONORED “WITH GOLD, AND SILVER…AND PLEASANT THINGS” BY THE PAPACY- DAN. 11:38,39). MRS. WHITE WROTE ABOUT, AND AGAINST BOTH IDEAS, AND OTHER “SERIOUS ERRORS” OF THE PAPACY, BUT DID NOT EVEN NAME THE TRINITY, IN “THE GREAT CONTROVERSY”, AND INDEED IN ALL OF HER WRITINGS!
Is this how she would deal with this matter, if indeed it was the “strange god” of Daniel’s prophecy? I rather think not! All true Adventists take her at her word when she says, “all truths [of serious import] are immortalized in my writings” (E.G White, Manuscript Release, pgs. 22,23). And yet the view of the trinity being the “strange god” of apostate Christianity is not “immortalized” in her writings!! What are “immortalized” in her writings are truths resembling closely the orthodox trinity doctrine, with just some inconsequential differences.


THE “STRANGE GOD” MUST BE ALIEN TO DIVINE NATURE:

Now, if the “Anti-Christ” (Satan’s pawn) is trying to “sit in the seat” of Christ (to be the “god of this world”), then how can someone not see that for the “Anti-Christ” to acknowledge and recognize the Father, the Son, and their Holy Spirit as “all that is called God” [the Godhead], that this could not be the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 11:36-39, or in 2 Thessalonians 2:4? The “strange god” would have to be someone introduced whom the Bible never represented as divine, that is, one who (just like Lucifer) can never be one of (using the words of the Adventist writer, Mrs. White) the “three living personalities of the Heavenly Trio”, who are each the “fullness of the Godhead”.
Are the Father, the Son, and their Holy Spirit really a “Trio” of “living Personalities” in the one “Eternal Godhead”? Can any of the Three be “the fullness of the Godhead”, and be inferior to the others? Aren’t they all divine (God in nature), and aren’t they all called “God”, and “Lord”? The answers are all obviously yes. Mrs. White, the leading pioneer in Adventism certainly thought so. Confirm her beliefs in John 1:1/ John 8:58, 59/ John 20:28, 29/ Is. 48:16, Heb. 1:8, 10/ 2 Cor. 3:17, 18/ Rev. 1:4, 5/ and Matt. 28:19.
Is Mary, or the Pope, divine, that is rightly called “God” (whether in name or nature)? Are they any part of the “Heavenly Trio” or “Eternal Godhead”, acting together in perfect unity as the body members depicted in 1 Corinthians 11:3, and 12:4-6. NO!!
Thus, only someone who claims to have even more ‘light’ than the visions of Mrs. White in Adventism would apply the prophecy of the “strange god” to the Trinity!! Everywhere the “strange god” was foreshadowed it was hinted that humans, or “a man” (Satan’s pawn) would be trying to sit in God’s seat. See again Ez. 28:2, Is. 14:16, 2 Thess. 2:3, 4, and Rev. 17:1 about the role to be played by humans as the pawns of Satan, to be used to replace God, or “sit in the seat of God”.


FINAL CONSIDERATIONS:

Interestingly, even though Uriah Smith (mentioned in Part 1) applied the prophecy of Daniel 11: 36-39 to the French Revolution, notice that he however applies 2 Thessalonians 2: 4 to the Pope changing the Law and the Sabbath of God, because “the Pope sets himself up [not the Holy Spirit] as the one for all to look to for authority, in the place of God” (Uriah Smith, Daniel and the Revelation, pg. 605). Nowhere in this crucial book, even in the 1897 unedited version, does he name the trinity as a “strange god”, or even highlights it as an error, but he too, like Mrs. White, named and wrote against the Roman Catholic veneration of Mary and the Pope (with his priests) as errors of “Babylon”.
Strange that he too (just like Mrs. White) did not use this opportunity to present the Trinity as a “strange god”, or an error, in his main work on prophecy, despite he wrote so much about the Papacy, and was even at one time demonstrably anti-Trinitarian in his written expressions!! Why this significant and curious absence of the Trinity in this significant work on prophecy, as also in Mrs. White’s main work, Great Controversy? The time of their publishing is the answer. Please see my research papers entitled Indisputable Facts About the Trinity Doctrine in Adventism, and The Trinity Accepted in Adventism Before 1915!
Regarding *new and fanciful theories that present the trinity as the “strange god”, and which discredits mainstream Adventism, relegating it to the ranks of “Babylon”, where all are called to “come out of her”, it must be known that clearly these theories fulfill another prophecy, which states:
“THE LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN BY ANY MESSENGER WHO CALLS THE CHURCH [S.D.A. Church] BABYLON… It is not to be disorganized, or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing WILL BE. Those who heed this false message [that it will be otherwise], and try to leaven [influence] others will be deceived, and prepared to receive advanced delusions [errors convincingly closely to, or resembling truth], and they will come to nought. There is , in some of the members of the Church [S.D.A.], pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a refusal to yield their ideas, although evidence may be piled upon evidence, which makes the message of the Laodicean church applicable. But that will not blot out the Church, that it will not exist [as an organized denomination]. Let both wheat and tares grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels [not overzealous men] that do the separation. I warn the Seventh-day Adventist Church to be careful how you receive every new notion, and those who claim to have great light [on the ‘omega heresy’, for instance]. The character of their work seems to be to accuse [doctrinally and otherwise] and tear down [the church]. My brother, I would say to you, be careful. Go not one step further in the path you have entered upon” [to denounce, and influence others away from the S.D.A. church, for whatever reason]. -E.G. White, Letter 16, 1893 (cited in Selected Messages, Vol 2, pg. 690)

*N.B.- Compare similar sentiments in Testimonies to Ministers, Chapter 1, and Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 9, pg. 258, by Mrs. White.
Evidently there is no need for further commentary at this point, but only to say that this prophecy is also “immortalized” in her writings, and calls all that upholds this Adventist pioneer to listen. “He that has an ear let him hear him what the Spirit says to the Churches”. Amen!


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