Standoff at the Richardson Seventh-day Adventist Church

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Standoff at the Richardson Seventh-day Adventist Church

How is it that I have never heard anything about this 'stand off' before? The people at this church really told you that you CAN'T come back?

That absolutely blows my mind.

Under the 'another Waco' link it says that there was a stand off with authorities. When did this occur and what was the ultimate outcome?

Do you still consider yourself an Adventist?

Peace
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Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 3:11 am Post subject:

3AM,

It was exactly as I had described it in the link, Texas Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and Richardson Church verses Eugene Shubert. After I was secretly arrested for coming to church (the official charge was criminal trespassing), the church leadership filed a restraining order against me. The petition to the court was a request for a no questions asked 6 months mandatory jail time if I was to come on or near the church property. I, of course, argued for the right to use the sidewalk and that part of the church driveway that leads up to the sidewalk. Being granted that request by the court, I returned to the church with a sign and printed materials to alert the church membership to the evil practices of their spiritual leadership. The page you glanced at briefly was an email exchange between a church member and myself. As it turned out, all the suffering I went through was just a big joke on me. The church didn’t care at all and still doesn’t care about whatever papist methods and deception the church leadership practices.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject:

Ross · Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 9

Eugene,
Your story is of great interest and is a terrific testimony. I suggest that, your error was to ask the pastor of that church to present a message in opposition to the one given by his colleague. It would be seen, right or wrong, as unprofessional conduct so they would get you one way or another.
It is important to view the situation correctly. You will be aware that Sis. White declared that, "We had thought that the G.C. was the word of God to S.D.A.s That, is past!"
What that conveys is that, the S.D.A. Church is only another "kingdom of men". Another of which the Word declares, "The most high God rules in the kingdom of men and gives them to the basest of men." Think about that, because unfortunately you met it face first - not always the best way to meet anything.
In that kingdom of men, there are to be found just "two or three gathered together with Jesus in their midst". Not in the midst of the church body as a whole. He is with those few who serve and follow Him and Him alone.
He cannot be with the others because they frankly don't want him because their manner of life is inimical to His.
To put it another way, when men come together for what ever purpose, they elect a leader - in this case, a pastor is forced upon them. On his arrival, he is quickly met by every political creature going. They all offer him some service - if they can, and for that they want something from him. They quickly notice which ones he seems to favour and bingo, they somehow wind up on the church board.
Now, the S.D.A.s have counsel about who should and should not serve in specific positions. The S.O.P. specifically declares that the ministers are not to waste their time chairing church board meetings or church meetings. That job is to be done by the Elder's. The minister is to be out conducting missions in the towns and cities in which he is placed. "That, is His job." It may even happen in America, but it sure doesn't happen in N.Z. My bet is they there, as here go for the highest seat in the room -that of chairman, and dictate from there. This nullifies the legality of their work for It cannot be a "properly constituted church meeting."
The gang of four at the GC are highly allergic to the laity issuing leaflets to the flock - it might disclose some irregularity and embarrass them. They have had an absolute bibfull in Australia and New Zealand by the CB.s so I can easily understand the allergic reaction when it seems to occur in the land of the free - well, if you aren't in jail anyway.
Time was when you didn't know your ministers. They only appeared on Sabbath mornings to preach, and were then gone. They used to be taught to maintain a very professional appearance and not get too close to anyone. This was to prevent them from being bought. Tragically, today they are being bought and sold all over the country until their heads spin. No man who has been bought or sold can belong to Jesus. He doesn't even belong to himself. He is not his own, but the slave of him who bought him. We only recently beheld exactly that spectacle in our own church made far worse by the minister admitting it.
The problems you are up against are simply these:-
The ministers probably agree with the man who preached nonsense, but in anycase, they cannot safely preach against him. Then there is the matter of who their friends are and what they choose to believe. Then there is the matter of what they personally want. Oft-times you will find that it is not necessarily the minister who is against you, but one of his over-bearing mates to whom he buckles. It's wrong, it's silly, and it's bad, but unfortunately it is all too often true.
All true believers, once members of a church, are joined in gang-warfare. It has always been so. They are lambs to the slaughter.
On joining the church half a lifetime ago, I quickly noticed that there were two groups. The very elect, and the great unwashed. I am very sorry you went through that foolishness, but all who mean it, get it.
Sincerely,
R.R. Pollock
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