A Forum for Everything Important    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Was John Harvey Kellogg Treated Fairly?           Forum Index -> Mount Carmel View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 750 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 7:13 am    Post subject: Was John Harvey Kellogg Treated Fairly? Quote: Interview between Elder G. W. Amadon, Elder A. C. Bourdeau, and Dr. John Harvey Kellogg Now, I begged them to come here. But they did not come. W. C. White stayed a day or two behind at Berrien Springs. I wrote him and begged him to come over here so I could have a talk with him. He came over. “Now,” I said, “Will, what is the use in fomenting this thing, this warfare, this difficulty and making things worse all the time? What is the use in it? I don’t believe these things that are charged to me. I am not a pantheist, and I don’t believe in pantheism. Now, you heard what I said at Berrien Springs. I got up and made a public statement that if there was anything in what I had written on this question, that I would retract it and denounce it as being untrue. I said that what I believe is just what Sister White has written in the Review and in her books; and if anything I had written had given a different impression from what she had written, or was in any way different from what she had written on that subject, was an error, I would retract and denounce it. I am not a pantheist, and you know it. If I were a pantheist, I would be out worshipping the morning sun. “How can a man be a pantheist and do what I am trying to do? I am trying to hold up things here in the Sanitarium just as I always did. I have made no change. I read my Bible and I pray as I always did, and I am working for the poor fellows down there in Chicago when I go down there to the Life Boat Mission as I always did. If I have made an error in any expressions in this book, the Living Temple, I am very ready to correct it. I have been ready to correct it all the time. I only ask to have it pointed out for me. But when somebody says, ‘You say so and so’ and I tell them to find it, they can’t find it so I can’t take it out—I can only take out things that are pointed out to me. I wanted the General Conference folks and the State Conference presidents to come here to take up this whole thing here at Battle Creek, to go into the whole thing and settle it. And if you will have such a council here we will abide by the decision of that council, but we ought to have a square looking into the whole business. These brethren say there have been crooked things here. Let them come and show them up.” Interview at Dr. J. H. Kellogg’s House Battle Creek, Michigan October 7th, 1907 What is the complete history of the so-called power play between John Harvey Kellogg and the Seventh-day Adventist church? Where is the “trial documentation” in this case? Back to top   '); //--> Cindy is under review Joined: 23 Apr 2002 Posts: 1 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:49 pm    Post subject: Hi Eugene, bear with me please as I try to figure out how to use this type of forum, as you know my experience was somewhat limited last time. I am trying to find out more on this subject myself. I posted a response on the NG's, am not sure you saw it? What is your understanding of the Alpha and Omega? I have the Ellen White CD Rom, so have read what she said about it, as well as some excerpts from the GC that were removed from the last edition. You stated that the Omega heresy is not the trinity doctrine, nor do I believe that it is, although I believe that issue was involved in the Alpha heresy and problems in 1880's. I have not read The living temple by Kellogg, although Ellen White clearly said it contained the Alpha heresy which would lead to the Omega heresy of the end time's. Are you familiar with that quote? I am not sure about everything that happened with Kellogg as I am still learning. Have you read the Living temple? Do you know where it is available online? Or at least what it said in gist? In His Grace, Cindy Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 750 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:23 pm    Post subject: Adventism’s Past Pantheism Hi Cindy, You’ve come to the right place. I know all about this topic. For my understanding of the alpha of deadly heresies, click here: Adventism’s Past Pantheism I don’t know if the Living Temple is available online but this link will give you a good understanding of the “pantheism” of Kellogg and his associates. I will look for your response on the NG. Yes, I have read the Living Temple. I thank you for your intelligent questions. Back to top   '); //--> Margaret Gray Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 26 Apr 2002 Posts: 32 Posted: Mon May 06, 2002 9:57 pm    Post subject: Eugene, Thank you for sharing your knowledge about this subject. You certainly know much about it. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to whom you believe will bring for the omega which you describe in your writing. Are there movements underway at this moment which might hearls the coming of such an apostacy? How might we prepare? Sincerely, Mrs. Gray Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 750 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue May 07, 2002 6:25 pm    Post subject: Margaret Gray wrote: You certainly know much about it. … How might we prepare? This is a Seventh-day Adventist issue. Ellen White wrote the following to Seventh-day Adventists: Quote: In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. How might you prepare? Read the Spirit of Prophecy and my links carefully. Understand how perfectly the pantheism of A. Graham Maxwell complements and enhances the pantheism of John Harvey Kellogg. Heed the warning God has given. 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