Re: ADRA Announces Their Willful Ignorance

Pickle · Last edited by Pickle on Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:37 pm; edited 1 time in total

Concerns regarding an apparent critical spirit manifested in the thread: ADRA Announces Their Willful Ignorance

I do not know enough about ADRA's work in Sudan to comment definitively, but I will ask a few questions that should be pondered.

Why did Jesus fraternize with Samaritans?
Why didn't He condemn them publicly for their false religion and their animosity toward the truth and god's people?
Why didn't He chastise them for how they treated Nehemiah and Zerubbabel?
Why did He fraternize with publicans?
Why did He eat with Zaccheus instead of telling him he was of the devil and going to hell?
Why did He stay at Mary's house since she had been possessed and had been a prostitute?
Why did He ever tell that woman caught in adulery that He didn't condemn her? Was He afraid to tell her the truth about her sinfulness?
Why was He so bent on trying to win people to the truth?
Why was He so kind and compassionate?
When was the last time you had Bible studies with someone who appreciated what you were sharing?
When was the last time you led someone to the Savior?

One thing I read somewhere in the SOP is that if those who have a critical spirit were let into heaven, they would even criticize Christ.

I was in a JW's home last night for the third time. She was an Adventist many years ago. She actually enjoyed my visit. We did not argue, and my remaining calm throughout impressed her so much that she told her daughter about it. We looked at the Scriptures together on a number of topics, and she had no answers to my questions.

What I am saying is that until you have a real love for souls, you ought to hesitate to criticize. There are times when we have to speak up, I know. But I could find nothing wrong with the report of the visit to Sudan's officials. Do note that one of those officials was a Christian, not a Moslem, judging from his title.

In other words, if you can think of a better way to reach the Moslems, then why aren't you doing it? And if you refuse to go, and God then has to use ADRA, why complain?

I don't like the idea of their using water witchers to locate where to drill for water. I think that's positively wrong. But I can't fault them for visiting government officials.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:41 pm Post subject:

I believe you would have a valid parallel if the Samaritans were mass murderers and if Jesus shunned His own disciples.

Would you say that Jesus condemned the Jewish church publicly? Didn’t Ellen White say that The remnant church is called to go through an experience similar to that of the Jews?

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:15 am Post subject:

I believe your insinuations are extremely unloving. What makes you think that you have expressed true love for me in what you’ve written?

There is nothing wrong with my message:

‘For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Seventh-day Adventist leadership, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.’ Matthew 5:20.

If you think you can preach it better, let’s see you try.

Pickle · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:44 pm Post subject:

Eugene, I am not without fault.

But please note, in your first reply you maintain that it is permissable to attack ADRA publicly for visiting with a CHRISTIAN member of the Sudanese government, whom you accuse of being a terrorist. And you accuse him of being a terrorist without providing any evidence to that effect, as far as I saw, though I might have missed something.

Then in the next post you suggest that my remarks were unloving? Can't you see a contradiction there?

Why do you think it is loving for you to criticize like that, but think it is unloving for someone to suggest that your doing so might not be appropriate?

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2002 5:52 pm Post subject:

Pickle,

I believe that you missed just about everything. You do not understand the charges or the evidence. I assert that the ADRA leadership and their GC superiors should be tried as war criminals for their silence on the 19 years of genocide in Sudan. I declare that they are guilty of crimes against humanity.

My list of facts also recites how the praise and glaze of two SDA leaders for the Islamic government in Khartoum were used for propaganda purposes to help cover-up the crime of actual genocide in that country. [1] [2] [3].

Genocide: “The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.”

Propaganda: a weapon of war. See Propaganda.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:01 am Post subject:

Because most Seventh-day Adventists don’t understand my gentle language I thought that I would blast them just once (cf. John 8:43-45). Those with normal hearing and ordinary sensitivity are strongly advised to skip this post. I’m going to speak bluntly with a sledgehammer.

God wants the people who profess His name to act with faith and courage. It’s pure cowardice to kiss the feet of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists and passively submit to their evil intent. Does anyone here admire docility? If you do, you also probably label Seventh-day Adventists’ perfect compliance to the will of the state in Nazi Germany a heroic act. [4].

No comment? Then let’s move to another silent topic.

Let’s discuss the penalties that could be imposed against Adventists in civil court. Here’s a meaningful comparison: There’s a $1 billion class action lawsuit against Talisman Energy, Inc., a Canadian company, for aiding and abetting the genocide in Sudan. [5]. If that lawsuit prevails, how would you estimate the actual damages and the dollar amount that the Seventh-day Adventist leadership should pay for their willful complicity and cowardly silence which assisted the genocide in Sudan and which gave aid and comfort to a regime that murdered 2 million innocent people? [6].