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 Post subject: Daniel 2 and the Papacy
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:27 am 
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Hi,

I believe after studying books on Daniel that its first prophetic sectio/unit (Daniel 2) goes a little further from the generallly-accepted view:

Neo-Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greco-Macedonia,Rome,Second-Advent

I believe that the mixture of iron-clay does have a primary application of inter-marriages used as a goal to unite Europe to a Holy Roman Empire yet I also believe that it alludes to the authors behind such moves and intrigues, namely the union of churchcraft and statecraft known to us as Roman Catholicism/Papacy.

In the parallel chapter of Daniel 7, the Papacy become more visible in the symbol of the "little horn" or Eleventh Horn.

As in Daniel 2, it is a mixture of metal (iron) and non-metal (clay), there in Daniel 7, we have a mixture of beast (non-descript beast) and non-beast (mouth and eyes of a man).

In light of this, I believe that we should understand Daniel 2 as the skelelon/outline of the whole book with the following:

Neo-Babylonia - Medo-Persia - Greco-Macedonia, Rome, Papacy behind Moves to Unite Europe back to a "United States of Europe" or "Holy Roman Empire" - Second Advent

The Papacy has a strong link with Europe and its Bloody History. A church "christian" in name with a strong occupational occupation is clealy revealed in the very first prophecy of Daniel.

A french book "soupir de la terre," published by Vie & Sante (which I believe to be the french translation of Secrets of Daniel) does endorse this very interpretation and it quite explicit in its explanation.

God Bless you.
Nicolas T. MARIE


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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:33 am 
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Dear Nicolas,
I too have noticed that we generally miss or skip over something important in Daniel 2. I have heard evangelists stand in front of large audiences and declare with much enthusiasm, “We are not living in the feet, we are not living in the toes, we are living right down in the toenails of the image.” Not so! The toes have not been developed yet, but they are growing at an alarming rate. You will be interested in reading my post here on Mars Hill entitled AMERICA, Superpower of Prophecy?

Blessings.


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 Post subject: Re: Daniel 2 and the Papacy
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:23 am 
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Nicolas wrote:
Hi,

I believe after studying books on Daniel that its first prophetic sectio/unit (Daniel 2) goes a little further from the generallly-accepted view:

Neo-Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greco-Macedonia,Rome,Second-Advent

I believe that the mixture of iron-clay does have a primary application of inter-marriages used as a goal to unite Europe to a Holy Roman Empire yet I also believe that it alludes to the authors behind such moves and intrigues, namely the union of churchcraft and statecraft known to us as Roman Catholicism/Papacy.

In the parallel chapter of Daniel 7, the Papacy become more visible in the symbol of the "little horn" or Eleventh Horn.

As in Daniel 2, it is a mixture of metal (iron) and non-metal (clay), there in Daniel 7, we have a mixture of beast (non-descript beast) and non-beast (mouth and eyes of a man).

In light of this, I believe that we should understand Daniel 2 as the skelelon/outline of the whole book with the following:

Neo-Babylonia - Medo-Persia - Greco-Macedonia, Rome, Papacy behind Moves to Unite Europe back to a "United States of Europe" or "Holy Roman Empire" - Second Advent

The Papacy has a strong link with Europe and its Bloody History. A church "christian" in name with a strong occupational occupation is clealy revealed in the very first prophecy of Daniel.

A french book "soupir de la terre," published by Vie & Sante (which I believe to be the french translation of Secrets of Daniel) does endorse this very interpretation and it quite explicit in its explanation.

God Bless you.
Nicolas T. MARIE



Who is the little horn? I know he is not the pope.
Capitals used for emphasis only.

Daniel 7: 7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; AND IT HAD TEN HORNS.

Daniel 7: 8. I considered the HORNS, and, behold, there came up among them another LITTLE HORN, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8: 9. And out of one of them came forth A LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Daniel 8: 10. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and IT CAST DOWN some OF THE HOST AND OF THE STARS TO THE GROUND, and stamped upon them.
In the following verse it can be established by the word of Jesus, that ‘stars’ can mean angels.
Revelation 1: 20. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
There is no way that a pope can cast down angels from Heaven to Earth.
However in Revelation chapter 12 we have a repeat of that SAME FEAT, only this time we are told who is responsible and at what TIME and WHY.

Revelation 12: 3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads AND TEN HORNS, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12: 4. And his tail drew the THIRD PART OF THE STARS OF HEAVEN, and did CAST THEM TO THE EARTH: and THE DRAGON stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

When I read verse 5 I have a confirmation as to what time this occurred.
Rev 12: 5. And she brought forth A MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a ROD OF IRON: and her child was caught up unto God, and to HIS THRONE.

To my way of studying and from what the Bible actually says, there could be no doubt that the little horn is Satan.
PC


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