The Confessing Seventh-day Adventist

Eugene Shubert wrote:Bob,

You quoted page 8 of Fritz Guy’s evolutionist manifesto, which says in part:

So our intellectual efforts in the 21st century ought to be directed not to attacking various details of the prevailing developmental model, much less to denying it outright, but either (a) to developing a comprehensive alternative model, which no one has done or is likely to do, or (b) to incorporating into Adventist thinking the idea of a gradually increasing complexity of living organisms over a long period of time36 as an alternative to the traditional paradigm of a six-day creation less than ten thousand years ago.37

I too am particularly insulted by what you highlighted with a bold emphasis: "which no one has done or is likely to do." I feel that I have developed a comprehensive alternative model, or, at least, an excellent beginning of one. I begin by defining science according to David Hilbert's philosophy of physics.

J Lynn Peters wrote:I too, had a dream. In it, I was walking along a road on the bottom of a great plain, and in the distance on a high plateau, were many tall, very large evergreen trees. There were many people on the same road, going to and from many different places. As I looked off in the distance at the trees, I heard the noise of a great and mighty wind that came rushing down onto the plateau, and one by one, the trees on the plateau began to fall over on each other, and the wind continued to blow until all the mighty trees were blown down and burst into flames.

There was a lot of discontent in the churches in our district, at the time, and there were issues in our church about who to put into what positions, as it was nominating committee time. There was conflict and confrontation. When I had this dream, I was impressed that the tall trees were our leaders, and I was being told not to worry about taking “positions” in the church, that the leaders of our churches would be laid low and that it would be up to the lowly ones, the workers on the roads of life, to continue to the work to completion.

At the time, I thought the dream was a sign that our leaders…our evangelists, our pastors, the leaders of the church, would be removed by the enemy from being able to preach the word and so the work would fall to the lay people. Now, I wonder if the dream wasn’t speaking of the defection of our leaders to untruth, and that it was God who “laid them low”, thus leaving the work to the lay people.

Billie wrote:My pastor told me a dream he has last week, he wanted the youth to listen! He said he was in a room and around the corner lurked spies, they were dark and sneaky. Each time that a youth past by they were attaching thierselves to them and taking our youth from the church!