I wish I could tell Ellen White off so bad right now. Maybe that would make me feel better.

So you think that Ellen White lied about her probable brain injury at age 9 and was unquestionably deceitful about her subsequent special dreams and visions? I don't see any sin in reporting one's visionary experiences, even if those visions are eventually proven to be failures in predicting the unfolding of future events.

Ceruleanblue wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:24 pm

I wish I could tell Ellen White off so bad right now.

So what is your complaint?

Sorry. I kee p trying to post and it keeps just disappearing when I hit "submit: so Im not sure what I'm doing wrong.
I don't care about her visions. SDA hospital employees work every Sabbath. Why is it ok for them and condemn the rest of the world. Oh, because people have to be cared for on the Sabbath too? So you think you are going to outsmart God by doing by making an industry where you have to work on Saturday and its got to be ok because Jesus healed the sick on the Sabbath/ Never having to make a stand for God and give up your job to keep from working on the Sabbath like you tell other people to do?
Like it is a test of their faith? This subject was such a source of conflict for me growing up. For my mother. For me as a young person trying to find unskilled work and not work Saturday. People suffer and angonize over this. Poor people like the ones Jesus cared for .Rich people like these think they can buy their way out.

This bothered my mother so much. All she wanted to do her whole life was have "Sabbaths" off. She wanted so much to be included in club. She did nt want to be lost. Some times she got Saturdays off. Most of the time she didn't. She had little education. Only to the 6th grade. She worked checking groceries for 34 years standing on her feet all day in a checkstand. When she retired she bought a care home for the elderly. One day she said to me " Get a job in healthcare because people still need to be taken care of on Sabbath"
So I get it. You never break the Sabbath by working if you work in healthcare. When she died she left a 1/5th of her estate...150,000.00 to that church and 2 days after she died their legal department called me because they wanted their money. No. Ellen Whites visions don't mean anything to me. I hate those people because they are money grubbers and liars and control people by making them feel not good enough and don't play by the rules they set up.

Ceruleanblue,

I agree that the SDA leadership cares more about money than following Christian principles. I also agree that Seventh-day Adventists view the Sabbath legalistically whereas the correct New Testament view is that the Sabbath is a shadow (i.e., a prophecy) about the future kingdom of God.

Ceruleanblue wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:25 am

Rich people like these think they can buy their way out.

On this forum it's called "attaining righteousness through judicious scheduling."

Why don't we just call it what it is and not try to make it sound fancy to impress the esoteric crowd? Maybe this is just an expression of your sense of humor. If it is, thank you. I need to approach life with a sense of humor more. I think it would help me resolve some of the issues that plague me in life much better than I do. It would lead me to healing and that is what I am here for. I guess I should me mad at myself because I did not see things before that were right in front of me that would have set me free. I wanted to believe a lie because it felt comfortable to be part of a group. I never needed the SDA church to be a follower of Jesus. Why did I feel that this church was so right when what they teach seems to erase what Jesus did at the Cross? Maybe what I really should do is thank Ellen White and her bunch for helping me focus on what I really believe. That I want to follow Jesus because I know he loves me in spite of my imperfections. He said not to judge. He knows how destructive judgement is. What it does to us when we judge others. He would not mandate such behavior by others in his name. How that behavior hurts and confounds people. They control people with this. I get it now. I am angry at them for this. But I also realize it is not my place to be angry with them. All I can do is speak up hoping it might help others to think about these things to and hopefully get away from them. And keep your children out of their grade schools. I've been part of the SDA church from when I was about 6 to the age of about 53. I am now 55. I have to undo a lot of damage. The spirituality part is the tip of the iceberg.

Now that I look again at what you said that is really quite humorous. That is something my therapist would say.

"Attaining rightousness through judicious scheduling. " I'll have to remember that one.