Babylon The Great Is An Overwhelmingly Powerful, Presumptuous, Propagandistic, Hegemonic Regime

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    Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    As to the identity of spiritual Babylon, there is only one probable candidate at the present time.

    And given the unquestionably clear teaching of Scripture, that spiritual Babylon will not be overthrown by human power, it stands to reason that all deep state operatives should feel comfortable with us discussing our Christian role under the current anti-Christian regime, given that Babylon the Great has overwhelming control over the world.

    What then is our mission and work?

    I propose that God wants Christians to unite on all the clear teachings of Scripture and to preach The Three Angels' Messages.
     
     
  2. Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Both Jerusalem and Mecca sit on seven hills.

    Rome sits on nine.
     
  3. Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And I forgot to mention:

    With St. Paul, we preach Christ Crucified, not what angels said.
     
  4. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    The book of Revelation is called "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place" (Revelation 1:1). And that revelation from God specifies "an eternal gospel" (Revelation 14:6-12), which is merely represented as being proclaimed by three angels. Since the revelation came from God, I believe it's fair to call Revelation 14:6-12 the gospel of God.
     
  5. mark kennedy Natura non facit saltum Supporter

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    Spiritual Babylon is also Eqypt and where also our Lord was crucified. In the tribulation it's some kind of a city, actually it could even be an island. Babel is contrasted with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Israel in the Old Testament. It's easier as a literary feature then a physical place.
     
  6. Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If it makes you feel good to think this, why you go right ahead.
     
  7. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Yes, it does make me feel good to think and believe the Bible. I see no hope of salvation anywhere else. The Bible is all about Jesus, my Savior.
     
  8. Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Spiritual Babylon was apostate Israel.
     
  9. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Are you suggesting that God's judgment on spiritual Babylon was completed ages ago, that the Second Coming already happened, that the resurrection took place, that the saints ascended to heaven and that we're the damned that were left behind?
     
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    I am a Preterist awaiting for the final judgment for all humanity. So Yes.
    Blessings
     
  11. Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I"m nota Darbyian dispensationalist.

    I DO believe that all the prophecies about His Parousia will be filled as completely--and unexpectedly--as those of His first coming.

    At my age, while His return is imminent, I'm more likely to see Him at the moment after my death.

    The Babylon of Revelation is NOT the Roman Catholic Church.
     
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    No it is not the Catholic Church it is apostate Israel, Jerusalem ,those who reject the Messiah which was destroyed in 70AD and never to return again as the Holy of Holy's. There is now a new Jerusalem, The Kingdom of God.
     
  13. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Kate, I believe that spiritual Babylon is already here and that world history is clearly moving on the trajectory mapped out for it in the book of Revelation. Recall the assessment of the PNAC document (Rebuilding America’s Defenses) and what I've already cited from page 9:

    “At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible.

    Also, if you look carefully, many other characteristics of Babylon are already fulfilled, well documented and readily apparent in the many details referenced in the exposition I cited elsewhere: The Three Angels’ Messages Versus The Three Demons’ Messages.

    All that remains prophetically is for Babylon to mount the beast, i.e., to form an illicit union with the already existing antichrist in Protestant theology.

    To be exact however, in answer to your question, I believe that Babylon the Great is the union between the apostate church (Churchianity combined with Zionism) and the deep state (which already overwhelmingly controls the world).

    1 Corinthians 6:16
    Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.”
     
  14. Kate30 New Member

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    You do believe that the Church and Zionism merge together as one to become Babylon the great. Zog How could this be for the Holy Church is not the whore but the bride. To be Antichrist is to deny the trinity. More so in particular to the denial of Jesus being fully God and fully man as Judaism and many other sects continue to reject right up to this very day.
     
  15. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Kate, I don't believe that you noticed my use of a made-up word.

    Here is one dictionary definition:

    Churchianity
    A term coined by Bible teacher Richard Pope during a sermon characterizing the condition of the modern-day Christian Church and how different it's teachings are from the original ideas and message of the historical Jesus.

    I specifically said "the apostate church (Churchianity combined with Zionism)".

    Here is some undeniably clear Biblical support:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
    Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
     
  16. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Unquestionably, the falling away mentioned here refers to apostate Christians in the Christian Church. The man of sin, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, is strikingly similar to the little horn with a mouth speaking pompous words (Daniel 7:25). That same power, which was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (Revelation 13:5), will be worshiped (Revelation 13:8). And the coming of that lawless one is accompanied by all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish. That assisting power is later identified as a False Prophet (Revelation 13:13-18).

    These are all the major players in the final scenario. So the woman that is mounted on the resurrected sea beast (Revelation 17) has to be an apostate Christian church that rides the antichrist until the antichrist decides to burn her up with nuclear fire.

    Leviticus 21:9
    If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

    Recall the Biblical references to the people of God in apostasy as being like a harlot (Ezekiel 16).

    Isaiah 1:21
    How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers.
     
  17. Kate30 New Member

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    Zog I’m sure that there is much chaff amongst the wheat or be it amongst the church . Is it not the Lord and his angels that shall seperate the wheat from the chaff after the long time sleep. Some to the left. The great white throne judgment. And others to the right. Who enter into holy bliss to be with him who first loved us before the world began. As to Richard Popes modern definition of his new word Churchianity it does not discern to what church tradition he is referring to . If he is referring to the gospel of Jesus Christ that Jesus and the apostles preached I see clearly no change at least amongst those who call themselves Christians commonly known as the Church from New Testament times. Yes the God shall send strong delusion to those who prefer the ways of darkness and not the light. But never to his people. My sheep hear my voice and will not follow another.. Yes apostate is a clearly understood term but the term Churchianity is not . The Churchianity word I do not like one bit. But others may seem to like. At least we do learn the meaning of a new word today. Thank you for videos on Ayn Rand along with the 2nd Reich they were very interesting. I do order order her book Atlas shrugged straight away .
     
  18. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    Dear Kate, why in the world would you want to read from an author that teaches pure evil?
     
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    Luke 8:13
    Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

    Isaiah 1:21
    How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers.
     
  20. Zog Has-fallen New Member

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    The only thing that matters on the topic of spiritual Babylon and her identity is what Biblical revelation specifies. Biblical symbolism is being used. In Revelation 17, Babylon is represented as a woman. Clearly, a virtuous woman, when used symbolically in Scripture, represents a pure church and a vile woman represents an apostate church. I have already cited Ezekiel 16 and Isaiah 1:21 to support my claim. And the symbolism is overwhelmingly obvious in meaning and is consistent.

    Nevertheless yes, it's true that there has always been a faithful body of believers.

    In the Bible, the sacred and enduring character of the relation that exists between Christ and His church is represented by the union of marriage. The Lord has joined His people to Himself by a solemn covenant, He promising to be their God, and they pledging themselves to be His and His alone. He declares: "I will betroth thee unto Me forever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in loving-kindness, and in mercies." Hosea 2:19. And, again: "I am married unto you." Jeremiah 3:14. And Paul employs the same figure in the New Testament when he says: "I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:2.