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All men are my friends, and all men are my brothers, for humanity is one large brotherhood as descendants of Adam. On the other hand, those who only want to oppose the Anointing as given by God is a devil or antichrist.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus and Michael are the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22
All men are my friends, and all men are my brothers, for humanity is one large brotherhood as descendants of Adam. On the other hand, those who only want to oppose the Anointing as given by God is a devil or antichrist.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus and Michael are the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22
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You must add to the scriptures in order to justify your belief. _________________ Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject:
Hear me now, please, as I must speak to you of the Holy Spirit, by the Spirit. Many of the thoughts presented on this forum are purely vain and speak to the vanity of men. They speak with the vanity of men by virtue of the vanity of men, and are an abomination to the LORD, whereas they are bred by the very mind of the devil. There is nothing Holy in the words of dying men clinging to the last vestiges of their vain religion as they use it to deny Michael.
I was first given the unction to add words here in response to the lies spoken about Hanifa, and to address the spirit of darkness that pervaded her detractors’ minds. Then, as things digressed into petty bickering, my soul has convulsed for the abuse my brethren have doggedly responded to. This must end.
An honest evaluation of the points made on this thread would reveal the personal viewpoint of each person involved, who have laid out as plain as they can manage the position they take concerning Michael. But these viewpoints, for the most part, reflect in their making the vanity of having to have the last word, no more and no less. Not here in these arguments are found a single word on the core message of salvation Messiah brings to us all. Nowhere here in these attacks is their any evidence of the character of Christ by which we are saved. Those who see Messiah in Michael have no reason to be ashamed, nor do those who cannot see Him in the body of Wayne Bent, but be very careful, for the shameful sin of utterances against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. The issue is not who has the best argument, nor even the best conception of Messiah, but who is of the Spirit, and who is not. We all have a place, no more or no less significant, and all are necessary to Father’s purposes.
Messiah has brought the Marriage Of The Lamb to full consummation. This is just a plain fact. The days are numbered and short. To squabble with the Bride about which rocks of religion and mountains of tradition one attempts to hide under are futile and supremely vain. I say, hide all you want you hypocrites, the day is coming when all the words you have spoken against her will be the loud and reverberating echoes that will haunt you to your graves. Michael is here to save you from yourselves, if you would have Him as your Husband. Go ahead and mock! Go ahead and speak your minds! You will perish of your own voices soon enough.
Now, let us hold unto our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and the truth of the matter, that he is returned to us, and He is bringing to fullness the promise of His coming! Not “some day”, but NOW! Drop what you are doing and follow the Lamb. Forget your vain imaginations and lost religion and see now what Father has done for you!
Go on now with your vain nonsense, or follow Christ where He will take you. It most certainly is not here in this place that He lives. This is the domain of Satan.
"Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me." Proverbs 1:28.
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord." Amos 8:11.
“And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.” Luke 9:5
Tim, on an earlier thread you wrote, "Abraham could no more be accused of murder as God cannot be accused of murder. To murder someone takes a malicious intent. There was no malicious intent in Abraham’s heart toward his son. He was carrying out the will of God which did not contradict the commandment, 'Thou shalt not murder.' It is only an contradiction if one doesn’t look at it through the eyes of God... Ask yourself the question, 'Is God a murderer?' and honestly answer it."
What you have written is exactly what we have said. "Abraham could no more be accused of murder as God cannot be accused of murder. There was no malicious intent in Abraham's heart toward his son." How do you know this? You believe this, yet you will not believe that there was no lustful (malicious) intent in Michael's heart toward the two witnesses. Truly, this is the crux of the matter. You said in another post, "Somebody prove me wrong and set me free." The truth about the consummation is in your own words: "He was carrying out the will of God which did not contradict the commandment. It is only a contradiction if one doesn’t look at it through the eyes of God." _________________ "If this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought; but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it." Acts 5:38-39
Marrow is right, this bickering is nonsense and evil. Here is a testimony: the Holy Spirit will come into anyone, anywhere, in the desert, or in the forest, or the city, if only they truly desire it and pray in all sincerely to God for it. Maybe Michael has it, maybe not, But I do know for certain anyone reading this post or anywhere on earth can receive it, right where they are. It is spirit, and it knows no boundaries.
You believe this, yet you will not believe that there was no lustful (malicious) intent in Michael's heart toward the two witnesses.
Suppose there wasn't. Let's say that Wayne loved them with all of his being. He still committed adultery. It doesn't matter what he felt toward them. Whether he hated them, loved them, or didn't care. As long as he slept with the wives of other men he has broken the commandment. He better hope those two men never come to their senses.
Proverbs 6:34 For jealousy (is) the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance. Proverbs 6:35 He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts.
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I say, hide all you want you hypocrites
Funny you should say this. I have heard of your sinless gospel, yet your leader commits adultery and your people have spoken against the scripture. The true Christ tells us in scripture to beware of your kind.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here (is) Christ, or there; believe (it) not. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if (it were) possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:25Behold, I have told you before. Matthew 24:26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, (he is) in the secret chambers; believe (it) not. Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. _________________ Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: The question?
Hanifa,
You have asked Wayne the wrong question. I know Wayne well enough to know that he will feel justified in saying he did not say it if I misquoted him in the least. I am not a skilled writer, as people should have noticed. So, I will try to restate what Wayne exactly said and what I paraphrase. I know for a fact Wayne said, “Jesus is not the Christ” and “Jesus was just a man.” This part…
“A man in whom the Christ had chosen to reveal himself. A man just like me that the Christ has now chosen to reveal himself in at this time. “
I paraphrase because I could not remember his exact words but the meaning was the same. I know for a fact that Wayne said that the Jesus body is still in some grave somewhere but instead of the “the body of Jesus” he may have said, “Jesus’ body”. Also he may have said “tomb” instead “grave”. My point is, as I said above, Wayne may see himself justified, and would be, to say he did not say that if I miss quoted in the least. That is why, Hanifa, I said you have asked the wrong question. Ask Wayne where is the actual physical body of the man Jesus whom they crucified upon the cross that Peter and the other disciples called Christ. Please do not spiritualize the body of Jesus to mean the body of believers. I am talking about the his physical body like the one you walk around in. Again please ask Wayne this question :
“Where is the actual physical body of the man Jesus whom they crucified upon the cross that Peter and the other disciples called Christ?” _________________ Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: Christ the example
Beth/Kathy,
God did not permit Abraham to go through with “murdering” his son, showing that murder has never been ordained by God. I will add here Christ is our example, our standard, not Abraham. As God had sent an angel to Abraham to stop him from killing is son, so did God send a angel to Wayne to stop him from committing adultery. The angel was Wayne’s own son who said, “Tell God no.” Jeff did the right thing, though he has probably repented of saying it - but it wouldn’t be the first time Jeff has repented of speaking the truth. _________________ Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: wounds of a Friend
Beloved Tim
When I asked Michael whether or not he had made the statement you accused him of, I simply cut and pasted the statement as it appeared in your post about it.
Upon consideration, it seems that it would be best for you to go directly to the source in order to receive the clarity you are asking me for. I can give you Michael's e-mail address and you can ask him for yourself.
For reasons that the administration of this forum has not revealed to me, I have been prevented from sending private messages. I have asked them why but they have not answered me. So, in order for you to get Michael's e-mail address, you would have to e-mail me first. My address is in my profile.
That your heart may find rest and that all your questions may be answered to your complete satisfaction, I remain
I do not need to seek clarity concerning this. I know what Wayne told me. I am not making it up even though Wayne has denied saying it. So I wrote prehaps the reason he has denied it, my misquoting him, but the fact remains that he told me that the man Jesus was not resurrected. I do not believe Wayne is the Christ and I have been giving my reasons for it out of scripture and my own experiences with Wayne. If you believe that the man Jesus was resurrected and your Messiah has told me the man Jesus did not, then it is to your best interest to get Wayne to clarify his beliefs on this. _________________ Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Here's hoping my poor deluded father, Nick Jennings, isn't one of those who had to 'give up his wife' to Wayne Bent. and also hoping he wakes up out of that cult one day. How much more 'far out' do these things get?
I just hope dude doesn't decide one day that he's going to kill himself to get to heaven or something like that and take everyone with him.
What do you mean by "tools" when you referred to taking Wayne Bent "down". And what do you mean by "taking him down"? Are you meaning physical harm of some kind? If you are, how can you even begin to claim any sort of credibility on this or any other forum?
How can you even begin to make a judgment from what "someone" says that you might not even know? Wouldn't it be better to go to the source and be a man about it rather than a childish coward? _________________ Hemet (subjective truth) 777 complete continous perfection of God
What do you mean by "tools" when you referred to taking Wayne Bent "down". And what do you mean by "taking him down"? Are you meaning physical harm of some kind? If you are, how can you even begin to claim any sort of credibility on this or any other forum?
How can you even begin to make a judgment from what "someone" says that you might not even know? Wouldn't it be better to go to the source and be a man about it rather than a childish coward?
Tools? Well I wouldn't want to tip my hand
Physically? no.
Credibility? LOL! I'm not here for that.
Judgement? Don't know what you're talking about.
Childish Coward? settle down, LORite, I'm not here to fight you. Only here to acquire information, and that has been achieved. No further questions.
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