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Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 8:06 pm Post subject: The Godhead Is Not Three Persons
What Jesus, God's Son is:
Jesus is one with His Father - John 10:30.
Jesus was pre-existent to His incarnation- John 1:2 plus several more.
Jesus is God(Divine) - John 1:1.
Jesus possesses the fulness of the Godhead. Colossians 2:9.
How is Jesus one with His Father?
Jesus is the "express image of His (the Father's) person" - Hebrews 1:3
How does Jesus get the name of His Father (God)?
By "inheritance" as God's Son - Hebrews 1:4
How does Jesus possess the fulness of the Godhead?
By the Father's good pleasure and permission - Colossians 1:19
What God is:
God is "one Lord" - Mark 12:29.
God is "one" - Galatians 3:20.
God is "light" - 1 John 1:5.
God is "love" - 1 John 4:8, 4:16.
What God is not:
God is not "the God of the dead, but of the living - Matthew 22:32.
God is not "the author of confusion" - 1 Corinthians 14:33.
God is not "mocked" - Galatians 6:7.
God is not a liar - Titus 1:2
God is not a trinity or triune for a.)Nothing in the bible says He is and b.)Titus 1:2 would be untrue and conflict with Mark 12:29 and Galatians 3:20 - among other things.
Posted: Thu May 30, 2002 4:54 am Post subject: The Godhead
True or false?
The Godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).
The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested (Colossians 2:9 cf. John 1:1). The word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person” (Hebrews 1:3 cf. Colossians 1:15). The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead (John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15).
Posted: Thu May 30, 2002 9:15 pm Post subject: The Godhead
In response to what Eugene wrote:
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True or false?
The Godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).
"False". The Godhead is not three persons. The Godhead is one person, God, the Father - whose person/personality is manifested through Himself, His Son, and His Spirit. The "heavenly trio" is not tantamount to a "heavenly trinity" which is why Ellen White never used the word "trinity".
In response to EGW's quote:
Quote:
The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested (Colossians 2:9 cf. John 1:1). The word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person” (Hebrews 1:3 cf. Colossians 1:15). The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead (John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15).
Posted: Fri May 31, 2002 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Is that your final answer?
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Is that your final answer?
That depends, brother. Does the first part of your true/false question establish the full and final meaning of the word "Godhead"? Or is there another angle from which you view the definition of that word?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2002 9:19 am Post subject: Can we say that the heavenly trio is a trinity and triune?
I always understood the word Godhead to mean the heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I probably got that from my SDA upbringing:
Ellen G. White wrote:
Those who have by baptism given to God a pledge of their faith in Christ, and their death to the old life of sin, have entered into covenant relation with God. The three powers of the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are pledged to be their strength and their efficiency in their new life in Christ Jesus. —Australasian Union Conference Record, October 7, 1907.
The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. —Counsels on Health, page 222.
The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of men to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. —The Desire of Ages, p. 671.
But that’s not a problem. I’ll just restate my question.
Can we say that the heavenly trio is a trinity and triune?
I’m thinking of the ordinary dictionary definitions of the words trinity and triune and not their specialized theological meanings.
OK, from Webster's dictiionary, the definition of trinity is as follows:
Latin trinitat-, trinitas state of being threefold, from Latin trinus threefold
Date: 13th century
1 : the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma
2 not capitalized : a group of three closely related persons or things
3 : the Sunday after Whitsunday observed as a feast in honor of the Trinity
From Webster's the definition of triune is as follows:
Date: 1635
: three in one: a often capitalized : of or relating to the Trinity <the triune God> b : consisting of three parts, members, or aspects.
Is the "specialized theological" meaning different from the above ordinary dictionary definition? Perhaps the confusion revolving around this issue is purely semantical? Is God truly defined in the bible and in the SOP as per above definitions?
Now, do you believe that the trinity doctrine is sound both from a biblical standpoint as well as from the SOP? If so, how do you harmonize that with what you expressed in your opening post?
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:19 am Post subject: My definition of the Trinity
Permit me to state simple affirmative truths and just tell you what is true and false. I believe it’s obvious that the following harmonizes with EGW, the Bible and the opening post.
Can we say that the heavenly trio is a trinity?
Yes. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are a group of three closely related persons.
Can we say that the heavenly trio is triune?
Yes. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three who are one. “I and my Father are one,” for example.
Define the words Godhead and Trinity.
Quote:
Godhead n. the essential being, nature, or condition of God. —The Random House College Dictionary.
Trinity n. the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.
Give me a theological definition.
The Godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19).
The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight.
The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested (Colossians 2:9 cf. John 1:1). He is the express image of His Father (Hebrews 1:3 cf. Colossians 1:15).
The Holy Spirit is a Person, a free, working, independent agency (John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15). He is all the fullness of the Godhead in a way incomprehensible to finite creatures.
Give me a definition of the Trinity that you think is misleading and incorrect.
“There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.”
Godhead n. the essential being, nature, or condition of God. -The Random House
College Dictionary.
Does the above definition say that the Godhead denotes a plurality of deities or does it denote singularity, i.e., that the Godhead is God Himself, a singular person?
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Give me a definition of the Trinity that you think is misleading and
incorrect.
"There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons."
I agree with you there 100%. Is it possible that our understanding of the doctrine of God as is stated in the bible and the confusion regarding the word "trinity" could be just a simple matter of semantics or is there a difference in our understanding of biblical fact? Yes or No?
Is it possible that our understanding of the doctrine of God as is stated in the bible and the confusion regarding the word "trinity" could be just a simple matter of semantics or is there a difference in our understanding of biblical fact?
How could I say anything definite unless I knew more about what you believe? You haven’t as yet disclosed what you have been hinting at but you do make me think that you’re some kind of Modalist.
I do not believe that our differences are purely a matter of semantics.
According to one lexicon, theotees means the state of being God, Godhead. Strong’s Dictionary of the Greek Testament defines it as divinity (abstr.): —godhead. I believe the correct meaning is the state of being as God, the Godhead.
It’s obvious to me that the state of being as God is held by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2002 6:44 pm Post subject: Who is the Godhead?
Since this is my first post, I may not have the right boxes marked or check all the proper places. I'll do my best so don't expect much.
Paul indicates that "the head of Christ is God." Would that help answer the question (Ugene and Mickey discussion) of who is the Godhead and how many heads there are? I think some people inadvertantly imagine a three headed god.
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