Keep the Ten Commandments from being removed!

CTC · Site Admin Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 118

Dear Friends of Everything Important,

Twisting and stretching the Constitution, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson overstepped his bounds on Aug. 6 by giving Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore until Aug. 20 to remove the two-ton stone etched with God's Ten Commandments as well as historical quotes that truthfully point to those laws as the foundation of U.S. jurisprudence.

Justice Moore, who has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on this all-important matter, will not obey the federal judge's order because:

It would grant jurisdiction to a federal court, which is acting beyond the scope of its lawful jurisdiction;
It would violate his oath of office to the Alabama Constitution, which specifically declares the state laws to be under God;
It would ratify an unlawful and usurpatious application of the First Amendment; and most importantly
It would concede that the God of Scripture is not supreme over the laws of the United States.

Will Justice Moore stand alone? Is he the only Godly man courageous enough to keep the godless from removing not only the Ten Commandments from their rightful place in the rotunda of the state judicial center in Montgomery, but further enforcing coerced freedom FROM religion throughout our troubled land. Please go to ConservativePetitions.com to see what is at stake. Here's the address: www.conservativepetitions.com

With everything Godly about America at risk, join Justice Moore in taking a bold stand for God, for His Word, for the United States of America -- for all of us! Rally to his side and help block all attempts to remove the monument from its rightful place. Sign a petition that asks for:

Gov. Bob Riley to call out the Alabama National Guard to protect the monument.
Montgomery Mayor Bobby Bright to not allow city police to be used in any attempt to remove the monument.
U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to not collect any fines assessed by Judge Thompson to the state of Alabama after Aug. 20.

And consider coming to Montgomery yourself and praying at the monument to protect its continued display. Stand ready to support those who act on their own consciences to peacefully and non-violently defend the moral foundation of American law.

Moore is resolved to see the battle to the end: "To prohibit the acknowledgment of God upon Whom our justice system is established is to undermine our entire judicial system," he said. ... "We will defend this display in the judicial building vigorously. It is an acknowledgment of a sovereign, holy God whose laws superintend those of man. We will not retreat from that position, because it is true." Here again is where to join him: www.conservativepetitions.com

As Judge Ed Carnes of the 11th Circuit panel correctly said, "... if Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandments monument were allowed to stand, it would mean a massive revision of how the courts have interpreted the First Amendment for years." Praise God! Let it be so!

Regardless of what any court or judge thinks, the truth cannot be changed: America's laws always have been and still are based on the Ten Commandments, and their display is appropriate in courtrooms all across our land, which still is "under God." We the people must defend the monument and all other displays and references to God's laws, refusing to allow any to be removed anywhere for any concocted reason. Sign the petition, then email Americans all across our nation to help keep the Ten Commandments. Here's again is where to act: www.conservativepetitions.com

P.S. You may not yet realize it, but your faith as a professing Christian is being put to the test by this lawsuit. Will you stand with God against worldly authorities who ignore His laws and mock His servants? Or will you, too, deny God by permitting His authority to be disrespected not only in Montgomery but in your own community? Show you're on God's side at: www.conservativepetitions.com

dedication · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:22 am Post subject:

Eugene,

I read your petition which came via private e-mail.

I do find your support of this rather disconcerting.

But before I go on let me first explain --

IF this were a matter of a law suit asking for the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM to have the ten commandments in a public setting-- that is -- the freedom to express oneself and have religious monuments if one so desires, it would be something different.

I am very much opposed to laws that prohibit the display of Christian themes-- like laws stating the nativity scene cannot be displayed etc. If it's OK to display Santa on a public square, it should be OK to display the nativity on a public square. That is an issue of religious freedom and freedom of expression.

BUT WHAT I SEE YOU URGING is a different matter all together.

The United States Government HAS NO BUSINESS ENFORCING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS as their law.
Yes, there are some (no killing, stealing) that are in their jurisdiction, BUT religious laws concerning our relationship to God (which the ten commandments contain) have no business being enforced by the goverment.

angelstarfire7 · is under review Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 1

I vote to support the ten commandments being kept right where they are, along with the historical quotes. God sets up governments and removes. The prosperous condition of our country and its continuence has been at His hand. It would be a terrible dishonor to Him to remove the monument of His law as if it were a shame to us instead of the great honor that it is.

Suenell · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:46 am Post subject:

Thank you for this poll & as you can see, the majority of voters have been for LEAVING statuary of the Ten Commandments, where it stands. I also believe the majority of us will vote as such.

I agree with Dedication.

I believe some day there shall be great religious persecution.

As I see it the athiests, homosexuals & false religions are becoming the majority & literally squeezing God's Holy Word out of everything we believe in. It's pathetic to think that religions have become watered down & twisted but that is the way "the plan" is to be.

Along with many, I agree with keeping symbols of our religion actively visual. After all, our nation was founded by those who came to escape the religious persecutions of the 'mother" church.

At the end only those who truly believe in those Holy Commandments of God & accept Christ will be the ones saved.
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nicsamojluk · follows A. G. Maxwell Joined: 15 Oct 2002 Posts: 21

Perhaps we should replace the expression "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance with "Under Satan." Such a change will be more in accord with our desire to get rid of the Ten Commandments.

Suenell · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:06 pm Post subject:

That is when I'd be moving to anywhere but here!
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Claudia · is under review Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 2

Right when the Iraq War was happening, the issue came up about leaving the Pledge of Allegiance in the Schools. Now this, with leaving the Ten Commandments in the Government.

I was on a Christian voice chat yesterday. People who had previously spoken disparagingly about the Ten Commandments -claiming they were done away with at the cross, were suddenly "crying" and becoming all teary-eyed because Christians were being persecuted because they were standing up for the Ten Commandments in Alabama.

Wars can be used to bring about a kind of "Group Think" mentality. I have been also on Christian forums where the people claim that these terrorist attacks are happening to the United States because "God is angry with the United States for drifting away from God". Groups of the "Moral Majority" type who feel all we need are some Sunday Laws to bring America back to God are in a great measure behind this movement and Pastors parrot their ideas in the pulpits to their congregations whose only desire at this point is to feel protected and who are willing to do anything to make that so.

It doesn't take much to realize what Satan is up to here. Some wars are justified, we can see that from the Scriptures by looking at how God sometimes even commanded His people to go to war. Yet at the same time, Satan can use these situations to his advantage.

Christians of the modern type are easily swayed in their thinking because most are used to just listening to and accepting whatever their Pastor tells them. The Christian Church as a whole is desperately wanting to take control of the Politics of America, viewing that as the way to solve all her problems. And so when things that have to do with "God and the Pledge of Allegiance" and "the Ten Commandments" come up it ought to cause us all as Seventh Day Adventists to take notice. I for one am not for panicing every time there is a war. And I dont believe in "crying wolf" and claiming the Sunday Laws are going to occur any time anything happens. But a war plus these types of things having to do with God and the commandments are another story. People are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for a feeling of safety.

And many Christians who couldn't really care less about the Ten Commandments and don't even believe in keeping them, will surely jump on the bandwagon when they see things like this Ten Commandments ordeal as a way to possibly unite the Christian world and push themselves into Politics. Satan uses the abortion issue and the homosexuality issue in the same way.

Soon Christians will get the bright idea that if everyone in the world has to keep the Sabbath, then "God will be put back into His rightful place in the world" and everything will be all "peace and safety". The only problem is they wont care about the other 9 commandments such as "Thou shalt not kill" and they will want to put those who keep the 7th day Biblical Sabbath to death, "Thinking to do God service" Jn:16:2 And they will view the Sunday Sabbath as a celebration of the Resurrection of Christ, and the idea that because He died and rose again for us, we are no longer obligated to keep the Commandments. So Sunday will be the only important thing to them as a way to "get everybody Religious".

Any time they bring up the Ten Commandments mixed with Government, we ought to stand up and take notice and be concerned because the Christian world will more and more get the bright idea that bringing the commandments into the Political world will solve all of America's problems and then this filters down from Roman Catholicism to the World Council of Churches to various Denominations to Pastors and to their congregations who just go along with whatever they are told like mindless "sheeple".

Claudia

Nic Samojluk · follows A. G. Maxwell Joined: 23 Nov 2002 Posts: 30

Perhaps one solution would be to remove only one of those Commandments, instead of removing all Ten: the one we are not keeping after all, the one that says "You shall not murder." We are slaughtering about three thousand human beings a week inside our abortion clinics.

Claudia · is under review Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 2

Actually, I would suggest we not get ourselves involved in this at all. That is the sort of counsel we are given by the Spirit of Prophecy.

We really have no idea what politicians are really up to and so on. We have no idea what any politician truly stands for or even what would be the results of "standing up" for any of them or what they "claim" to stand for...

The Desire of Ages, page 509, paragraph 3
Chapter Title: Not With Outward Show
The government under which Jesus lived was corrupt and oppressive; on every hand were crying abuses,--extortion, intolerance, and grinding cruelty. Yet the Saviour attempted no civil reforms. He attacked no national abuses, nor condemned the national enemies. He did not interfere with the authority or administration of those in power. He who was our example kept aloof from earthly governments. Not because He was indifferent to the woes of men, but because the remedy did not lie in merely human and external measures. To be efficient, the cure must reach men individually, and must regenerate the heart.

Not by the decisions of courts or councils or legislative assemblies, not by the patronage of worldly great men, is the kingdom of Christ established, but by the implanting of Christ's nature in humanity through the work of the Holy Spirit. "As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12, 13. Here is the only power that can work the uplifting of mankind. And the human agency for the accomplishment of this work is the teaching and practicing of the word of God.

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In other words... no matter what our political views are or what "needs" to be done about this ten commandment issue, is it really our job to try to force it upon other people? If so, how are we any different than the Roman Catholic Church who in the future will try to force their religious ideas about Sunday and the commandments upon us? Did Jesus do that?

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Fundamentals of Christian Education, page 475, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: Special Testimony Relating To Politics
The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political schemes. We cannot labor to please men who will use their influence to repress religious liberty, and to set in operation oppressive measures to lead or compel their fellow men to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. The first day of the week is not a day to be reverenced. It is a spurious sabbath, and the members of the Lord's family cannot participate with the men who exalt this day, and violate the law of God by trampling upon His Sabbath. The people of God are not to vote to place such men in office; for when they do this, they are partakers with them of the sins which they commit while in office.

Selected Messages Book 2, page 336, paragraph 1
Chapter Title: Counsel on Voting
Our work is to watch, and wait, and pray. Search the Scriptures. Christ has given you warning not to mingle with the world. We are to come out from among them and be separate, "and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty" (2 Cor. 6:17, 18). Whatever the opinions you may entertain in regard to casting your vote in political questions, you are not to proclaim it by pen or voice. Our people need to be silent upon questions which have no relation to the third angel's message. If ever a people needed to draw nigh to God, it is Seventh-day Adventists. There have been wonderful devices and plans made. A burning desire has taken hold of men or women to proclaim something, or bind up with something; they do not know what. But the silence of Christ upon many subjects was true eloquence. . . .

sbgrace · is under review Joined: 23 Aug 2003 Posts: 3

Cal Thomas had an excellent commentary today. In it he said that Judge Roy Moore was correct in stating that the federal government has no right to tell the State of Alabama that it cannot declare the Ten Commandments as the foundation of their legal system. However, he went on to say that government adoption of Christianity as the "official" religion of America may not produce the results Christinas are hoping for. The real truth of Christianity is on display in the live of Christians, revealing what is in their hearts. Imposing laws over a resistant population will not gain the kingdom any new adherents. Perhaps Christians are spending too much time wrangling over things which are not as important as the things we should be devoting our time to: feeding the hungry, helping the sick and elderly, visiting prisoners, in essence revealing the love of God for lost humanity.

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:51 pm Post subject:

dedication,

As usual, what you “see” “is a different matter all together.”

I’m totally committed to individual liberties, the law based on the constitution and the separation of church and state. I simply believe it’s OK to recognize, in an official manner, the nobler aspects of our American heritage.

sbgrace · is under review Joined: 23 Aug 2003 Posts: 3

I would agree with you. I guess I'm only trying to present the idea that failing to keep the Ten Commandments monument in the courthouse does not necessarily mean that Christians are any worse off than they were before this all began. Social acceptance and legal recognition of homosexual rights would be a far worse blow to this country. The fight over this particular social issue is our greatest challenge at this time, in my opinion.

slaveofOne · scholar Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 6 Location: L.A.

I feel deceived and betrayed by my own brothers and sisters in Christ in this matter...and at the same time, I have a hard time pointing my finger because if I was fooled, it must mean I was foolish enough to be fooled.

I voted whole-heartedly to keep the 10 commandments monument up and even signed my name on an online petition (which I now wish I could erase)

I followed several links and read several articles by "Christians" or "Christian" organizations such as "Christianity Today" to gather info about the monument and what was going on so I could make a good choice in the matter.

But all these "Christian" organizations and sites that I visited *absentmindly* seemed to have *accidentally* forgot to include one *minor* fact THAT WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY CHANGED A PERSON'S STANCE IN THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT WAS SO IMPORTANT.

Nowhere in any of the Christian publications I read from, such as the likes of "Christianity Today," did anyone say that the monument had only been there a very short time, and was, in fact, placed there AFTER a law had been passed a few years back that specifically said no government official shall place a religious statement in a public place. In other words - this new 10 commandments monument had been ILLEGALLY set up AGAINST THE LAW. 8O

I am disappointed in myself for not doing more research and reading up on arguments against the monument by opponents of it. But I am also disappointed that so many Christians have acted deceitfully and wickedly--mimiking the godless heathen--by leaving out truth in order to (as the goddless do) promote their position. Exclamation