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Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 10:08 am Post subject: Satan's Methods Are Practiced by Seventh-day Adventists
What are Satan’s methods: and what is practiced in secretive and dark, sacrosanct counsels generally regarded as a prerogative of the gods? The Spirit of Prophecy answers these questions decisively. There is the masterful use of hearsay evidence in council and committee meetings. There is the commanding from a throne; There is plotting behind the scene. Actions such as these are inexcusable, yet this evil is not even understood as wrongdoing by the Richardson church board. This is the judgment of the highest court:
“Go to those supposed to be in error, talk with them, not working with duplicity and hypocrisy, meeting them day by day with apparent friendship, and at the same time plotting against them in perfect unity with the satanic agencies at work to uproot, to tear down, to remove from the institution the ones the unbelieving element wants removed, while not a word is spoken with the brethren or sisters in the faith to redeem them, to heal them, if they are in error; and if they are not in the wrong, to vindicate the right, and put the rebuke where it belongs—upon the plotters of an evil work, because Satan is behind the scene. The Lord Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, likening them to sepulchers that do not appear, hidden from sight, but full of corruption. The Lord hates all deception, secrecy, and guile. This is Satan’s work; the work of God is open and frank. No one will work against a child of God on the strength of the testimony of the Lord’s enemy, and work after Satan’s manner—concealing himself, yet suggesting, instigating, planning in perfect unity with the Lord’s enemies.
“How can the universe of heaven regard such underhanded, cowardly work against those who love God and keep His commandments? Members of the church may commit errors, and often make mistakes; but they are to be dealt with kindly, tenderly, as Christ has dealt with us. But the rebuke of God is upon all those who do the work of God deceitfully, professedly friends of Christ, yet working in an undercurrent style, in darkness, against those who love God. ‘Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.’ ” TM 274.
“Someone not so mindful as he should have been of Christ’s words, ‘Take heed how ye hear,’ allowed his unsanctified ears to hear wrong, his perverted senses to imagine wrong, and his evil tongue to report wrong. Many a man will not come openly to talk with the one he thinks in error, but will go to others, and under the mask of friendship and sympathy for the erring, he will cast reflections. Sometimes he openly agrees with the one whom he covertly seeks to injure. Suppositions are stated as facts, without giving the person charged with wrong a clear, definite statement of his supposed errors, and without giving him a chance to answer the charges. This is all contrary to the teaching of Christ. It is the subtle way in which Satan always works.” 15MR 174.
“Through the acceptance of hearsay evidence the enemy obtains great advantage in council and committee meetings. Those who would stand for the right if they knew what it was, are led astray by the evil surmisings of others in whom they have confidence. Their prayers are thus hindered, their faith is paralyzed and unkind thoughts, unholy suspicions, alienate them from their brethren. Thus God is dishonored, and souls are imperiled.
“When an effort is made to ascertain the truth in regard to those who have been represented as in the wrong, their accusers are frequently unwilling to grant them the benefit of a doubt as to the reliability of the evil reports. They seem determined that their accusations shall stand just as they have stated them, and they treat the accused as guilty without giving them a chance to explain. But when accusers manifest so fierce a determination to make a brother or a sister an offender, and cannot be made to see or feel that their own course has been wrong, it is evident that the transforming power of the enemy has been upon them, and that he has caused them to reflect his attributes.” RH, May 14, 1895.
Your response strikes me as being thoroughly irreligious, so I wonder if you would clarify. Do you believe in Jesus and in a future judgment, where we receive the last verdict now, based on if we are hiding ourselves in the shadows to conceal sins or not?
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This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God. John 3:19-21.
I would agree that politics and conniving are utilized by those in leadership positions..... Then again, this has been done throughout history.....
Steve,
As I see it, the range of feelings, opinions and judgments about how grievous the aforementioned sins are, is a wide spectrum. Consider the scale. The cold responses vary in the range between the ungodly that justify sin to worldly-minded persons who have no interest in the prosperity of Christ’s kingdom. The lukewarm range is a category of persons believing the truth but being dominated by indifference and self-deception. Their deeds are insufficient (Rev 3:15). Call me spiritually shortsighted but what have you said on this thread that ranks obviously higher than Laodicean? I mean to highlight a godly standard. Anyone so neutral as to view the practice of sins that certainly lead to death as not a salvation issue, its acceptance by a large denomination as nothing to be alarmed about or worth protesting, not an insult to Jesus, calling it politics as usual, I estimate as lukewarm.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:09 pm Post subject: True or false?
“All heaven is interested in the work that is going on upon the earth. But there are those who see no necessity for a special work at this time. While God is working to arouse the people, they seek to turn aside the message of warning, reproof, and entreaty. Their influence tends to quiet the fears of the people, and to prevent them from awaking to the solemnity of this time. Those who are doing this, are giving the trumpet no certain sound. They ought to be awake to the situation, but they have become ensnared by the enemy. If they do not change their course, they will be recorded on the books of heaven as stewards who are unfaithful in the sacred trusts committed to them, and the same reward will be apportioned to them as to those who are at enmity and in open rebellion against God.” RH, Aug. 13, 1889.
“If those who have had great light have not corresponding faith and obedience, they soon become leavened with the prevailing apostasy; another spirit controls them. While they have been exalted to heaven in point of opportunities and privileges, they are in a worse condition than the most zealous advocates of error.” GCDB, Feb. 6, 1893, 170-171.
“If you are willing to drift along with the current of evil, and do not cooperate with the heavenly agencies in restraining transgression in your family, and in the church, in order that everlasting righteousness may be brought in, you do not have faith.” RH, Nov. 1, 1892.
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:34 pm Post subject: Where do you stand?
Steve,
Suppose someone in some way harmed by the Holocaust had written an article detailing the evil of the Holocaust. Imagine a response to that victim being, “that’s just politics, … politics and conniving have been utilized by political leaders throughout history.” Would you classify that as a relevant and loving response?
I’m not surprised when I read Catholics defend the inquisition and the burning of Protestants. Words reveal what we think. “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned” (Matthew 12:37).
There is no reason for me to judge you personally. We all do a fine job of judging ourselves.
It was the ambiguity in your response that compelled me to ask for clarification. I listed three categories and asked you to rank your own comments. The best category was represented in these pages:
Do you believe that your true sentiments or what you posted belong in that category?
I believe that an answer to my true/false questions would help clarify your perspective. Also, I’m still wondering if you believe we receive the verdict of the final judgment now, based on if we are hiding ourselves in the shadows to conceal sins or not.
I would agree that politics and conniving are utilized by those in leadership positions..... Then again, this has been done throughout history.....
Steve,
As I see it, the range of feelings, opinions and judgments about how grievous the aforementioned sins are, is a wide spectrum. Consider the scale. The cold responses vary in the range between the ungodly that justify sin to worldly-minded persons who have no interest in the prosperity of Christ’s kingdom. The lukewarm range is a category of persons believing the truth but being dominated by indifference and self-deception. Their deeds are insufficient (Rev 3:15). Call me spiritually shortsighted but what have you said on this thread that ranks obviously higher than Laodicean? I mean to highlight a godly standard. Anyone so neutral as to view the practice of sins that certainly lead to death as not a salvation issue, its acceptance by a large denomination as nothing to be alarmed about or worth protesting, not an insult to Jesus, calling it politics as usual, I estimate as lukewarm.
Unquestionably, the godly are in a higher class and reveal greater zeal for Christ’s kingdom.
Higher class? Like the woman who, despite being caught in adultery, recieved Christs forgiveness. Or the prostitutes whom he dined with, yet I'm having a hard time picturing prostitutes of that age having the verbal sophistication (if nothing else) to front what passes for "wisdom" on this board?
You need some serious self examination and introspection friend, for the Kingdom of God that Christ said is within you, I don't think you've found it yet. _________________ Forgive, that's what Jesus would do.
Eugene,
I have visited several forums since joining this one, and while we will not always see eye to eye (okay I am being optimistic), I do appreciate that you allow unrestricted dialogue....
Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Location: Valley Mountain
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:31 pm Post subject:
Peace Eugene
Since you are the webmaster here responding to your observations seems to be the right approach:
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What are Satan’s methods: and what is practiced in secretive and dark, sacrosanct counsels generally regarded as a prerogative of the gods?
If SIN is of THE DEVIL and the mortal flesh of all men HAVE SIN, I would write that this condition is that which is spoken of by Paul in the 11th Chapter of Romans, vs. 32.
"GOD bound ALL MEN with DISOBEDIENCE so that HE MAY HAVE MERCY ON ALL."
Understanding then also that written with John in 1 John 1:8, "We cannot say WE HAVE NO SIN or we deceive ourselves and THE TRUTH is not IN US."
Hope you can see where I HEAD here Eugene. I do not see the "work" of satan as being an "exterior working" but an INTERIOR one that CANNOT BE SEEN. That which you refer to as the "secretive work." One that Paul called "the mystery of iniquity."
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The Spirit of Prophecy answers these questions decisively. There is the masterful use of hearsay evidence in council and committee meetings. There is the commanding from a throne; There is plotting behind the scene. Actions such as these are inexcusable, yet this evil is not even understood as wrongdoing by the Richardson church board. This is the judgment of the highest court:
“Go to those supposed to be in error, talk with them, not working with duplicity and hypocrisy, meeting them day by day with apparent friendship, and at the same time plotting against them in perfect unity with the satanic agencies at work to uproot, to tear down, to remove from the institution the ones the unbelieving element wants removed, while not a word is spoken with the brethren or sisters in the faith to redeem them, to heal them, if they are in error; and if they are not in the wrong, to vindicate the right, and put the rebuke where it belongs—upon the plotters of an evil work, because Satan is behind the scene. The Lord Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, likening them to sepulchers that do not appear, hidden from sight, but full of corruption. The Lord hates all deception, secrecy, and guile. This is Satan’s work; the work of God is open and frank. No one will work against a child of God on the strength of the testimony of the Lord’s enemy, and work after Satan’s manner—concealing himself, yet suggesting, instigating, planning in perfect unity with the Lord’s enemies.
I like your HIGH COURT style here Eugene.
Would your HIGH COURT render MANkind as NOT COUNTING SINS against them, but COUNTING THEM AGAINST SATAN and "his family?"
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“How can the universe of heaven regard such underhanded, cowardly work against those who love God and keep His commandments? Members of the church may commit errors, and often make mistakes; but they are to be dealt with kindly, tenderly, as Christ has dealt with us. But the rebuke of God is upon all those who do the work of God deceitfully, professedly friends of Christ, yet working in an undercurrent style, in darkness, against those who love God. ‘Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.’ ” TM 274.
I see the FALSE BRETHEREN as those who are with THE FLESH of all mankind, for which we must be EVER on guard. It is right to discern the SLAVE of unrighteousness from the master of same.
The BLINDED MAN (what is commonly and mistakenly called the unbeliever by fleshly christiandom) is not the UNBELIEVER, but the CARNAL SLAVE who has not been SET FREE by The Word.
Jesus came to SET FREE ALL SUCH CAPTIVES....
and
to TRY THE WORKS of satan and his family who DWELL IN THE FLESH in the HEAVENLY COURT. Their works IN MANkind HAVE BEEN JUDGED and CONDEMNED are are awaiting their EXECUTION.
The SLAVE will GO FREE according to The Will of both Jesus and The Father.
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“Someone not so mindful as he should have been of Christ’s words, ‘Take heed how ye hear,’ allowed his unsanctified ears to hear wrong, his perverted senses to imagine wrong, and his evil tongue to report wrong. Many a man will not come openly to talk with the one he thinks in error, but will go to others, and under the mask of friendship and sympathy for the erring, he will cast reflections. Sometimes he openly agrees with the one whom he covertly seeks to injure. Suppositions are stated as facts, without giving the person charged with wrong a clear, definite statement of his supposed errors, and without giving him a chance to answer the charges. This is all contrary to the teaching of Christ. It is the subtle way in which Satan always works.” 15MR 174.
Satan himself spoke through Peter by the inhabitation of the mortal body of Peter. It is upon this very understanding that JESUS builds His Church.
None of MANkind is immune from this "working." This too serves God's Purposes in "their" judgement and condemnation. As such NO MAN's life in the mortal body is wasted.
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“Through the acceptance of hearsay evidence the enemy obtains great advantage in council and committee meetings. Those who would stand for the right if they knew what it was, are led astray by the evil surmisings of others in whom they have confidence. Their prayers are thus hindered, their faith is paralyzed and unkind thoughts, unholy suspicions, alienate them from their brethren. Thus God is dishonored, and souls are imperiled.
It is The Word of God and of Christ that FOREVER RULE in any "counsel."
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“When an effort is made to ascertain the truth in regard to those who have been represented as in the wrong, their accusers are frequently unwilling to grant them the benefit of a doubt as to the reliability of the evil reports. They seem determined that their accusations shall stand just as they have stated them, and they treat the accused as guilty without giving them a chance to explain. But when accusers manifest so fierce a determination to make a brother or a sister an offender, and cannot be made to see or feel that their own course has been wrong, it is evident that the transforming power of the enemy has been upon them, and that he has caused them to reflect his attributes.” RH, May 14, 1895.
These "attributes" of satan will reflect in ANY MAN who walks after the flesh and is not led by The Word. The Word and The Spirit ALWAYS AGREE.
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