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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:32 am Post subject: The 144,000
Are the 144,000 supposed to win others to Christ?
I heard those clothed with the armor speak forth the truth in great power. It had effect. I saw those who had been bound; some wives had been bound by their husbands, and some children had been bound by their parents. The honest who had been held or prevented from hearing the truth, now eagerly laid hold of the truth spoken. All fear of their relatives was gone. The truth alone was exalted to them. It was dearer and more precious than life. They had been hungering and thirsting for truth. I asked what had made this great change. An angel answered, It is the latter rain; the refreshing from the presence of the Lord; the loud cry of the third angel. {1SG 186.2}
Is this refering to those sealed of God just before the plagues are poured out?
Especially in the closing work for the church, in the sealing time of the one hundred and forty-four thousand who are to stand without fault before the throne of God, will they feel most deeply the wrongs of God's professed people. This is forcibly set forth by the prophet's illustration of the last work under the figure of the men each having a slaughter weapon in his hand. One man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side. "And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." {3T 266.2}
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Who are standing in the counsel of God at this time? Is it those who virtually excuse wrongs among the professed people of God and who murmur in their hearts, if not openly, against those who would reprove sin? Is it those who take their stand against them and sympathize with those who commit wrong? No, indeed! Unless they repent, and leave the work of Satan in oppressing those who have the burden of the work and in holding up the hands of sinners in Zion, they will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall in the general destruction of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter weapons. Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those "that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done" in the church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are represented as being in agony, even sighing and crying. Read the ninth chapter of Ezekiel. {3T 267.1}
Is the 144,000 the purified church of God? If so what happens to those that are "shaken" out?
Is the destruction here mentioned in Ezekiel different from the 7 last plagues? I believe that it is different and here's why:
1) Here in Ezekiel there are 6 men but only 5 have weapons as opposed to Revelation where there are 7 angels with vials
2) In Ezekiel the destruction is in Jerusalem while in Revelation the destruction is in Babylon.
The Church cannot conquer with the full power of God while sin is in the camp therefore the church must be purified. Is that what is happening in Ezekiel 9? I believe so.
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In the case of Achan's sin God said to Joshua: "Neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you." How does this instance compare with the course pursued by those who will not raise their voice against sin and wrong, but whose sympathies are ever found with those who trouble the camp of Israel with their sins? Said God to Joshua: "Thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you." He pronounced the punishment which would follow the transgression of His covenant. {3T 267.3}
If this is the case then the probation for the church may close before that of the rest of the world. Is this not worth sounding the alarm to warn our people?
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Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together. {5T 211.2}
"Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven." —Review and Herald; March 9, 1905.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:34 am Post subject:
Steve wrote:
"Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven." —Review and Herald; March 9, 1905.
Steve I see you are using all the right inspired statements concerning the 144,000 and exactly when they are sealed, but you are using the Shepherd Rod twisting of scripture that many of those in the mother church is now teaching as truth. But error never converts to truth by repetitious telling, truth only comes from God & He is not the author of confusion. About this time last year I was forced into making a distinction between my bible teaching in contrast to that of the Shepherd Rod. The CD is called "No, I am not a Shepherd Rod".
http://www.shasta.com/edwhite/audio/index.htm#rod
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