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I gave you much from the Bible-- I don't see anything from the Bible in your post above-- just your voice denying what I wrote and adding your own WORDS and interpretion to scripture.
Where do angel's have "INFINITY"? They were created. A third of them, the ones that sided with Satan, will die.
They do not HAVE INFINITY--
People will be given "eternal life" but they do not have INFINITY.
Infinity means from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning or end.
Only God has INFINITY
And Christ is God in INFINITY.
The Bible plainly says there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--
There are many verses that show that CHRIST IS GOD.
There are many verses that show that the FATHER IS GOD.
BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--- in your posts you keep denying over and over again that Christ is God--to you HE is but an agent. An instrument through Whom God the Father works.
NO--he is not just and agent, CHRIST IS GOD, I've provided plenty of scripture to show that, and only one whose eyes are blinded deny that Christ is God.
And yes, the Holy Spirit belongs to the Father and to the Son.
Just as Christ belongs to the Father, and the Father belongs to Christ.
They belong together-- for they are ONE GOD--three persons.
The Holy Spirit is a Person, just as the Father is a Person.
Webpage, Holy Spirit
hi dedication,
the non trinitarians are allergic to that words or phrase " one god ---three persons.
they wouldnt understand that let alone accept it. and i admit that we are really on the defense when they ask for specific verse that plainly says that god is triune.
yet there are obvious revelations of three divine persons in the scriptures, but but i must admit that trinitity was never really directly taught by jesus nor the apostles and the gospel writers.
But through out the bible, it is obviuos that trinity is implied in the scriptures. why the bible stop one step further by plainly saying that god is triune, i do not know. but all bible reading christians can never missed that.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: It ain't in there....
WillieH: Hi Vector...
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
By your own words you say: "I must admit that the TRINITY was never DIRECTLY TAUGHT by JESUS nor by the APOSTLES..." ...hello?? Then WHY do YOU TEACH IT? If the Lord found this unnecessary, the Apostles as well... why do CHRISTIANS of today force it into the picture?
Don't you think there could be a REASON for that? Their SILENCE concerning the TRINITY as a teaching? Maybe just a hint?
This doctrine is within the Harlot teaching of the Church, simply to cause dissention... It is pagan in its origin (multiple gods)... and brings into the picture a mystery that has to be accepted by followers of Christ, and if one does NOT accept it.. one is considered a heretic.. (ask Eugene) What a lot of HOOEY!
It wasn't taught by JESUS or the Apostles because it aint in there! It is a device of the devil... to distort Mankinds picture of the Almighty as the SOLE SAVIOR of Humanity..
GOD (the Father) spoke... out came JESUS (the Word)... no 2 persons, ..the same person EXPRESSING HIMSELF.... no MYSTERY... One person... and His children (you & I) are just like Him... ONE PERSON each!
Pray for the eyes and ears to see and hear the TRUTH.... not what your CHURCH teaches, or any man... but what the WORD TEACHES... and BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, ... THE WORD does NOT TEACH the TRINITY...
In JESUS... WillieH
vector wrote:
dedication wrote:
I gave you much from the Bible-- I don't see anything from the Bible in your post above-- just your voice denying what I wrote and adding your own WORDS and interpretion to scripture.
Where do angel's have "INFINITY"? They were created. A third of them, the ones that sided with Satan, will die.
They do not HAVE INFINITY--
People will be given "eternal life" but they do not have INFINITY.
Infinity means from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning or end.
Only God has INFINITY
And Christ is God in INFINITY.
The Bible plainly says there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--
There are many verses that show that CHRIST IS GOD.
There are many verses that show that the FATHER IS GOD.
BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--- in your posts you keep denying over and over again that Christ is God--to you HE is but an agent. An instrument through Whom God the Father works.
NO--he is not just and agent, CHRIST IS GOD, I've provided plenty of scripture to show that, and only one whose eyes are blinded deny that Christ is God.
And yes, the Holy Spirit belongs to the Father and to the Son.
Just as Christ belongs to the Father, and the Father belongs to Christ.
They belong together-- for they are ONE GOD--three persons.
The Holy Spirit is a Person, just as the Father is a Person.
Webpage, Holy Spirit
hi dedication,
the non trinitarians are allergic to that words or phrase " one god ---three persons.
they wouldnt understand that let alone accept it. and i admit that we are really on the defense when they ask for specific verse that plainly says that god is triune.
yet there are obvious revelations of three divine persons in the scriptures, but but i must admit that trinitity was never really directly taught by jesus nor the apostles and the gospel writers.
But through out the bible, it is obviuos that trinity is implied in the scriptures. why the bible stop one step further by plainly saying that god is triune, i do not know. but all bible reading christians can never missed that.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: It ain't in there....
WillieH wrote:
WillieH: Hi Vector...
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
By your own words you say: "I must admit that the TRINITY was never DIRECTLY TAUGHT by JESUS nor by the APOSTLES..." ...hello?? Then WHY do YOU TEACH IT? If the Lord found this unnecessary, the Apostles as well... why do CHRISTIANS of today force it into the picture?
Don't you think there could be a REASON for that? Their SILENCE concerning the TRINITY as a teaching? Maybe just a hint?
This doctrine is within the Harlot teaching of the Church, simply to cause dissention... It is pagan in its origin (multiple gods)... and brings into the picture a mystery that has to be accepted by followers of Christ, and if one does NOT accept it.. one is considered a heretic.. (ask Eugene) What a lot of HOOEY!
It wasn't taught by JESUS or the Apostles because it aint in there! It is a device of the devil... to distort Mankinds picture of the Almighty as the SOLE SAVIOR of Humanity..
GOD (the Father) spoke... out came JESUS (the Word)... no 2 persons, ..the same person EXPRESSING HIMSELF.... no MYSTERY... One person... and His children (you & I) are just like Him... ONE PERSON each!
Pray for the eyes and ears to see and hear the TRUTH.... not what your CHURCH teaches, or any man... but what the WORD TEACHES... and BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, ... THE WORD does NOT TEACH the TRINITY...
In JESUS... WillieH
vector wrote:
dedication wrote:
I gave you much from the Bible-- I don't see anything from the Bible in your post above-- just your voice denying what I wrote and adding your own WORDS and interpretion to scripture.
Where do angel's have "INFINITY"? They were created. A third of them, the ones that sided with Satan, will die.
They do not HAVE INFINITY--
People will be given "eternal life" but they do not have INFINITY.
Infinity means from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning or end.
Only God has INFINITY
And Christ is God in INFINITY.
The Bible plainly says there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--
There are many verses that show that CHRIST IS GOD.
There are many verses that show that the FATHER IS GOD.
BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD--- in your posts you keep denying over and over again that Christ is God--to you HE is but an agent. An instrument through Whom God the Father works.
NO--he is not just and agent, CHRIST IS GOD, I've provided plenty of scripture to show that, and only one whose eyes are blinded deny that Christ is God.
And yes, the Holy Spirit belongs to the Father and to the Son.
Just as Christ belongs to the Father, and the Father belongs to Christ.
They belong together-- for they are ONE GOD--three persons.
The Holy Spirit is a Person, just as the Father is a Person.
Webpage, Holy Spirit
hi dedication,
the non trinitarians are allergic to that words or phrase " one god ---three persons.
they wouldnt understand that let alone accept it. and i admit that we are really on the defense when they ask for specific verse that plainly says that god is triune.
yet there are obvious revelations of three divine persons in the scriptures, but but i must admit that trinitity was never really directly taught by jesus nor the apostles and the gospel writers.
But through out the bible, it is obviuos that trinity is implied in the scriptures. why the bible stop one step further by plainly saying that god is triune, i do not know. but all bible reading christians can never missed that.
hi willieH,
i never said it wasnt taught by Jesus. what i said is not direstly as in hi guys, i'm jesus and there is one god, the father the son and the holy ghost. and they are triune.
Jesus taught it by introducing to us the father the son (himself) and the holy ghost.
and in this manner precisely so that no one would think that christianity is pagan and polytheistic.
let me answer you in the topic " the godhead is not three persons"
but i'll post it here anyway.
hi willieH,
thanks for the benidection.
i agree with you 100% GOD is SPIRIT.
almost the same belief with you but just one thing when you said the word was never separated with the father.
for that is exactly what happened willieh. the word was separated with the father and became flesh and took the distinct personality of his own.
your statement of belief whether you notice it or not is like mine. you are right the word trinity is not word for word in the bible. so i will try to make you understand my belief without using that word or any word related to it. (like the 3 in 1 word)
here you mentioned that the father is god alone. but you also metioned that the son is also GOD because he proceeds from God the FAther.
i believe that also.
and thas is exactly how it is revealed in the New testament scriptures.
and that is exactly what was taught by jesus and the apostles...that...
father is god and so is
jesus is god.
i worshipped them both.
do you see any problem with that? _________________ Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
Ephesians 4:3
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Then WHY do YOU TEACH IT? If the Lord found this unnecessary, the Apostles as well... why do CHRISTIANS of today force it into the picture?