Wake up call from Benedict!

masmpg · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: Wake up call from Benedict!

Here we are one major leap toward the anxiously awaited National SUNDAY Law. This sermon was given on 1 Dec 2006. Take heed to this. I have been trying to find an SDA forum to shout this to, but what I am finding is very heartbreaking. ALL the topics in the forums, that are discussed most are about trivial matters compared to our duty to blow the trumpet in Zion. I love God’s church with King Jesus at it’s head, but where is it?

I looked up primordial nucleus seperately. . .check it out:
Primordial
1. Being or happening first in sequence of time; original.
2. Primary or fundamental: play a primordial role.

Nucleus
1. A central or essential part around which other parts are gathered or grouped; a core: the nucleus of a city.
2. Something regarded as a basis for future development and growth; a kernel: a few paintings that formed the nucleus of a great art collection.

Friday, December 01, 2006
Sundays are the “primordial nucleus” of the liturgical year, Pope affirms

Pope Benedict XVI has sent a message to Cardinal Francis Arinze ahead of the Congregation for Divine Worship’s study day on the Sunday Mass. The Holy Father told those involved in the study group that Sundays remain the central focus of the Church’s liturgical year and that there is a need to, “reiterate the sacred nature of the Lord’s day and the need to participate in Sunday Mass.

Cardinal Arinze, who serves as Prefect for the congregation called the study day under the theme: “Sunday Mass for the sanctification of Christian people."

The Pope’s letter, which is dated November 27 but was made public today, recalls how the study day falls on the anniversary of the promulgation of the Constitution "Sacrosanctum Concilium," and is the third of its kind following one dedicated to the Roman Martyrology and another to sacred music.

"Sundays," writes the Pope, "remain the fundamental seedbed and the primordial nucleus of the liturgical year... a fragment of time pervaded by eternity, because its dawn saw the Risen Christ enter victoriously into eternal life."

"For the first Christians, participation in Sunday celebrations was the natural expression of their belonging to Christ, of their communion with His mystical Body, in joyous expectation of His glorious return."

“Today," the Holy Father continued, "it is more than ever necessary to reiterate the sacred nature of the Lord's day and the need to participate in Sunday Mass. The cultural context in which we live, often marked by religious indifference and secularism that obscure the horizon of transcendence, must not cause us to forget that the People of God who came into being with the events of Easter must return [to those events] as an inexhaustible spring, in order to better understand ... their own identity and the reasons for their existence."

"Sunday was not chosen by the Christian community," he wrote, "rather by the Apostles, indeed by Christ Himself Who on that day, "the first day of the week," arose and appeared before the disciples. ... Each Sunday celebration of the Eucharist enacts the sanctification of Christian people, until that Sunday without end, the day of the definitive encounter of God with His creatures."

Benedict XVI closed his message by expressing the hope that the study day "may help to recover the Christian meaning of Sunday in ... the life of all believers."

While driving home today I heard something that was alarming also. Some might say this has been going on for a long time, but not like this. . .I was listening to a nominal “christian” radio station when the speaker started talking about how the roman church is trying to personate Jesus through miracles. This might not seem like such a big deal. . .the roman church has been claiming to do this for years, BUT THIS IS OUR JOB!!! God took the gospel away from the jews and gave it to the gentiles. We, as Seventh Day Adventists have the most solemn commission. . .”go ye therefore” we are to preach the gospel, but now is the time to blow the trumpet. We are told at our churches not to rock the boat. . .”There might be catholics in the pews so we cannot offend. . .” What do we say about that? I find myself outwardly agreeing, well that time is over. We cannot agree, We must put our foot down IN OUR CHURCHES!!! Jesus went to the synagogue when His people knew Him not. Are we to start homechurches, or are we to meet the iceberg even if it means disfellowshipping?

In Christian Love
God Bless you

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject:

masmpg,

We live in a time when the woman is riding the beast (Revelation 17). She is in control. The decrees and opinion of a pope no longer has the power and influence as it did in medieval times. Our entertainment-driven, pleasure-seeking society today doesn't want any Blue laws. For proof, read the Christian Science Monitor article In battle for Sunday, the 'blue laws' are falling dated December 05, 2003.

Also note: the very popular Pope John Paul urged the importance of Sunday sacredness in a speech to Australian bishops on March 26, 2004 and was broadcast everywhere in a widely circulated news report but nothing newsworthy developed from that papal endorsement.

masmpg

Hello Eugene,
Are you an SDA???

Just who is the woman that is riding the beast? Is it not Rome?

You don't believe there will be a SUNday law?

I guess the Great Controversy, nor Sister Whites writings mean anything to you?

The SUNday law is coming no matter how you might interpret the prophecies.

I cannot believe what you just posted to me. Has God's people gone that far away from the truth?

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

masmpg,

I am a true Seventh-day Adventist. And I am saddened that you have resorted to insinuation and attack instead of rebutting the reasonableness of my argument or the facts that I presented.

I am an enthusiastic defender of Ellen G. White. I have always been a strong believer in her prophetic ministry. And I also acknowledge that the end of the world according to The Great Controversy was to be in Ellen White's era.

masmpg · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:56 am Post subject:

Hello Eugene,
Why do you accuse me? All I did was ask some questions?

You stated: "The decrees and opinion of a pope no longer has the power and influence as it did in medieval times. doesn't want any Blue laws."

Sounds like you don't believe there will be a SUNday law. We are told what the mark of the beast is. . .The SUNday law. . .and it will happen.

Whether or not you think the influence of the pope is less than it was during midievil times, his influence is rapidly growing through the association the catholic bishops have with our ehem&*%^&president cough cough. . . The catholics have majority on the supreme court. . .Do you realize what that means? It will not take long before the pope will have the influence he had in the dark ages.

So whether "Our entertainment-driven, pleasure-seeking society today" wants the blue laws they will get them.

The woman that rides the beast is the church, the beast is the kingdoms of the world that follow after her. Riding represents the closeness of their dealings.

Yes I am a rabble rouser!!! Someone NEEDS to wake up this sleeping church. The five virgins are still sleeping. . .
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God Bless you
Jeff W

nfactor13 · child of God Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 9

Hello, masmpg. I don't mean to perturb you further, and I understand you feel events are very urgently developing here. I am confused on a few points, though, and if you can tell me what you think about them, I would be curious to hear it. Specifically, I'm confused on what form Adventists of your belief think the Sunday Law would take.. would it be a negative law that forbids activity, or a positive law that mandates an activity? Or both? or some other idea entirely?
For example, a negative law would be something like "you may not go to church on Saturday nor close your business on that day"..
a positive law would be something like "you must attend a sanctioned/licensed religious service on Sunday, and you may not do any business on that day unless approved by the government"

Do either of those sound close to what you would expect? If not, please explain a bit if you would.

A second question:
given that our society has a fair number of Jewish citizens, and Muslim, too, both of which do not keep Sunday, would they face imprisonment for keeping their own religious traditions? Also, would atheists or other conscientious objectors also be forced to abide by some religious law?
If so, what do you think would stop the ACLU from successfully challenging such a thing, given how they seem to be able to stop the smallest of possible infringements between church and state?

Thanks for your time.

Nathan

masmpg · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

Hello nfactor13,
Keeping SUNday holy does not break the fourth commandment. Breaking the Sabbath does. Please do not take my word for it. . .Check this out:
"When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. . . . As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of his authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome--'the mark of the beast.' And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive 'the mark of the beast.'" {RH, April 27, 1911 par. 23}
Read the whole article. The mark of the beast is the SUNday law, but the transgression of God's law is breaking the fourth commandment. During the dark ages many were compelled to work on the Sabbath and keep SUNday holy. This will happen again.,

To answer the second part of your question all we need to do is read Revelation 13, especially verses 3:. . ."all the world wandered after the beast." To me this does not state that part of the world is going to do this. Verses 15-17 tell us much more about who will be affected by this legislation. I notice the word ALL when referring to who will and wont be affected. Nobody will be exempt one way or the other.
Back in the late 60-70s many of the Islamic leaders joined hands with the west politically through greed and so called "democracy".

The big question is: can we keep SUNday holy and the Sabbath?

I thought I'ld ask that before you did Smile

God Bless you
Jeff W
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Jeff W

nfactor13 · child of God Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 9

Thanks, Jeff. Let me just make sure I understand your answer then. You expect that there will be legislation passed that compels the populace to work on Saturday then? I realize that the extent of it is meant to be world-wide eventually, but I was under the impression that it was expected to start in America and then extend world-wide at some point. As with most things, you usually don't see such a thing arise everywhere at once. So I was framing it specifically in terms of what we'd be able to identify if looking at the US. I wasn't meaning it would only be here, though.

For the second part I was asking about, in what sense would sabbath-keeping Jews be forced to break the Sabbath? I'm not asking you to tell me exactly what the law would be or what form it would take, but just asking for a what-if type example, something that you could imagine that might be close or that would qualify as a Sunday law.

take care,
Nathan

masmpg · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

Hello nathan,
The mark of the beast is the SUNday law which either compelling us to work on Sabbath or us giving homage to Rome because we worship on the SUNday the whole idea is disobedience to God, and obedience to man.

The SUNday law will start in the US. If you find the legislation put forth in the 50th congress, 1st session, s. 2983 you will see how possible it is to pass a NATIONAL SUNday law in this country. ALL 50 states have blue laws on the books, and they can enforce them any time, but when the fed makes it mandatory for the whole country, this is the national SUNday law. Coming SOON!

We have a great example about compelling the jews to do whatever the reigning body commands. The so called holocost or whatever you want to call it is a great example of how the government can compel whoever they want.

As for Islam, why do you think we are at war in the middle east. . .trying to eradicate this sect.

God Bless you
Jeff W
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Jeff W

nfactor13 · child of God Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 9

Hi, Jeff. I was away seeing relatives for about a week, and then taking care of other things when I returned... so I just now looked at your reply here. I hope it was a good time for you and your family as well. The weather was much milder than predicted, and it was definitely a good rest for us all.

You had said previously that keeping Sunday does not break the 4th commandment, it's breaking the Sabbath itself that counts. And as I understand it, the blue laws that you're referring to are restricting businesses being open on Sunday, not commanding that they be open on Saturday. (correct me if I'm wrong) If so, how would that count as a Sunday law? Seems like it would have to be a law that commanded people to work on Saturday, going by what you'd said before.

You gave the Holocaust as an example of Jews being compelled by the state, but to me that's actually the strongest argument against what you're saying, not a support for it. What I mean by that is that with such a public consciousness of Jewish oppression in the past, how would anyone accept anything that would put Jews in jail (or worse) for following their religious beliefs? Especially in the U.S. In Europe even, you can be put in prison simply for questioning details about the Holocaust. So it seems very unrealistic to me to think that people would be willing to put Jews in jail or worse a mere 60 years after the Holocaust simply for being faithful Jews. Especially when we have living Holocaust survivors among us today. What Congressman/Congresswoman would put their support behind such legislation?

As for Islam, I would say that it's more than a sect, and in the U.S. Muslims are far more moderate and modern than what you might find in Afghanistan, for example. Again, for the U.S. to want to put millions of people in prison for their religious beliefs is an enormous thing. We still have a memory of the Japanese internment during WW2, and I think many would see it as a similar thing if we tried it today on religious instead of racial grounds.
The reason we're at war in the middle east is not to eliminate Islam. After all, we're allied with Muslim countries currently, and Afghanistan and Iraq are just as Muslim controlled now as they were previously. Whatever reason we might be there, it's not to eliminate Islam. (Or if it is, we're doing a lousy job of it.)

One last question. You said that it would be happening 'soon.' Can you quantify that a little bit? I take it you mean 'soon' in a different way than Ellen White meant it, or than Adventists living 50 years ago meant it? People use that word so loosely, it's impossible to know what someone means by it unless you ask, so I'm asking.

Thanks, and I hope the new year's starting off well for you.

God bless,
Nathan

masmpg · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject:

Hello Nathan,
HAPPY SABBATH
Sorry if you misunderstand what I am trying to share. The SUNday law is not the only principle that is involved with the mark of the beast. Even though joining, knowingly with a SUNday church is in defiance of God and therefore accepting the mark of the beast, working on the Sabbath is involved with the mark of the beast. I quoted this earlier "When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. . . ." so when we honor popery by disregarding God's Sabbath command we accept the mark of the beast.If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls "My holy day," you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.--Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. {Ev 235.2} see even Mrs White explains it pretty simply. By breaking God's law and not keeping the sabbath we are taking the mark.
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God Bless you
Jeff W

masmpg · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject:

Hello again Nathan,
I need to break up your questions because they are not easy to answer in a short post.
About the Jews being persecuted again, well do you think the Papacy will tolerate the Jews in Jerusalem when she regains her power? The same power that killed millions of Christians in the dark ages? Or do you believe the church has changed? What religion was Hitler? Who paid Hitler to do what he did? Please considerd these questions. The reason for the persecution of the Jews and all the martyrs during the dark ages was the fact that they would not join the catholic church. Conform or die! This is the message again today. Check out my new topic "Our New Congress"! This stuff is urgent! Do you think these people are going to put the constitution above their church? NO WAY! Church comes first and they know it, so does the pope.
Have you ever read any of Malachi Martin's books, namely "Keys of this Blood"? Check it out. He wrote that back around 1990 and all of what he wrote in that book is happening today. Malachi Martin was a Jesuit.
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God Bless you
Jeff W

masmpg · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject:

Hello again Nathan,
Now for Islam. You are right Islam is much more than a sect. It is a force to be reconed with. Do you remember all the discussion about torture that was in the news a few years ago. At the time when this subject was in the spotlight congress had opportunity to eradicate it forever but they did not! This is very important. We send these so called terrorists to countries around the world where they can be "interrogated". For a lighter explaination of the US tactics on this topic go here http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad12152005.html
There are two people who have been tortured; one Abdullah Almalki whom I heard on a talk show recently state that the US and canada were involved with sending him to Syria to be tortured, and Maher Arar. Check out their stories.
Our government (EHEM POLITICIANS) are so close to closing our borders to keep us in and starting the secret round up of nonconformists just like Hitler did. We are on the verge of MARANATHA.
Although this might not answer your concerns about how we will cause Islam to worship the beast. . . just check out some of the real news web sights like "whatreallyhappened.com. There are scores of doctors lawyers scientists even some politicians that are trying to expose this mess, but we are all sleeping right through the takeover of our once free, but not any more, country
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God Bless you
Jeff W

JesusPeace · Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 4

Happy Sabbath!

I started another post on this topic and after searching through the site I saw that my news was old news. Praise God! I knew this site was a good thing. I saw the letter benedict wrote to arinze on www.zenit.org and it is really sad. And yes, it is a wake up call. If you don't mind I am going to post the letter in its entirety because the words he uses are what Sis White describes in Early Writings Page 96, 2nd paragraph...

"Truth is straight, plain and clear and stands boldly in its own defense, but it is not so with error. It is so winding and twisted that it needs a multitude of words to explain its crooked form."

After reading this lie, I believe you will agree with her wholeheartedly.

Masmpg, I like how you spell SUNday law . Did you notice in this letter how he is covertly paying homage to the venerable "Day of the Sun"? I capitalized, bolded and underlined the key words or sentences and in the body of the letter. If we were to break this letter apart, I believe after every period we could proclaim "lie".

What I see in this letter is the unholy trinity: Apostate Protestants (christians who recant); Catholicism (Little Horn Power) and Spritualism (blessings from mother mary aka venus aka isis aka.....) I can't believe after all the talk about Jesus Christ....he still closes out this abomination with blessings of protection from "mother mary" what is that?

I am glad you guys already know about this. It means there are others out there that are filled with the Spirit of Prophecy that can see the signs are all around us, while others are living in a state of laodecia.

I must admit, I believe we eventually will have a SUNday blue law, because it is the IMAGE of the beast. He has a counterfeit of everything that is of value to Christ. Just like Mr. Shubert discussed the 3 demons message...I never heard it put like that, but it certainly makes sense. 3 Angels Message vs 3 demons Message; Holy Trinity vs unholy trinity; THE LORD OF THE SABBATH vs lord of the SUNday.

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Date: 2007-01-09

Papal Letter to Cardinal Arinze

On the Occasion of the 43rd Anniverary of "Sacrosanctum Concilium"

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 9, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Here is the Vatican translation of Benedict XVI's letter of to Cardinal Francis Arinze on the occasion of the study day in honor of the 43rd anniversary of the promulgation of the Second Vatican Council constitution on the sacred liturgy, "Sacrosanctum Concilium."

To My Venerable Brother, Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments

I am pleased to offer my cordial greeting to you and to those taking part in the Study Day organized by this Dicastery on the anniversary of the promulgation of the Constitution "Sacrosanctum Concilium." After reflecting in the past on the Roman Martyrology and on Sacred Music, you are now preparing to examine in depth the theme: "Sunday Mass for the sanctification of the Christian People". Because of its spiritual and pastoral implications, this is a very timely topic.

The Second Vatican Council teaches that "the Church celebrates the Paschal Mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the "Lord's Day' or "Sunday'" ("Sacrosanctum Concilium," n. 106).

Sunday remains the fertile foundation and at the same time the fundamental nucleus of the liturgical year which originated in Christ's Resurrection, thanks to which the features of eternity were impressed on time.

Thus, Sunday is, so to speak, a fragment of time imbued with eternity, for its dawn saw the Crucified and Risen Christ enter victorious into eternal life.

With the event of the Resurrection, creation and redemption reach their fulfillment. On the "first day after Saturday", the women and then the Disciples, meeting the Risen One, understood that this was "the day which the Lord has made" (Ps 118[117]:24), "his" day, the "Dies Domini." In fact, this is what the liturgy sings: "O first and last day, radiant and shining with Christ's triumph".

From the very outset, this has been a stable element in the perception of the MYSTERY OF SUNday: "The Word", Origen affirms, "HAS MOVED THE FEAST OF THE SABBATH TO THE DAY ON WHICH THE LIGHT WAS PRODUCED and has given us an IMAGE of true repose, Sunday, the day of salvation, the FIRST DAY OF THE LIGHT in which the Savior of the world, after completing all his work with men and after conquering death, crossed the threshold of Heaven, SURPASSING THE CREATION OF THE SIX DAYS AND RECEIVING THE BLESSED SABBATH AND REST IN GOD (Comment on Psalm 91). Inspired by knowledge of this, St Ignatius of Antioch asserted: "We are no longer keeping the Sabbath, but the Lord's Day" (Ad Magn. 9, 1). {Jesuspeace Note: {Light was made by Christ on the 1st day of the week, SUNday!}

For the first Christians, participation in the Sunday celebrations was the natural expression of their belonging to Christ, of communion with his Mystical Body, in the joyful expectation of his glorious return.

This belonging was expressed heroically in what happened to the martyrs of Abitene, who faced death exclaiming, "Sine dominico non possumus": without gathering together on Sunday to celebrate the Eucharist, we cannot live.

How much more necessary it is today to reaffirm the sacredness of the Lord's Day and the need to take part in Sunday Mass!

The cultural context in which we live, often marked by religious indifference and secularism that blot out the horizon of the transcendent, must not let us forget that the People of God, born from "Christ's Passover, Sunday", should return to it as to an inexhaustible source, in order to understand better and better the features of their own identity and the reasons for their existence.

The Second Vatican Council, after pointing out the origin of Sunday, continued: "On this day Christ's faithful are bound to come together into one place. They should listen to the Word of God and take part in the Eucharist, thus calling to mind the Passion, Resurrection and Glory of the Lord Jesus and giving thanks to God who "has begotten them again, through the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, unto a living hope'" ("Sacrosanctum Concilium," n. 106).

Sunday was not chosen by the Christian community but by the Apostles, and indeed by Christ himself, who on that day, "the first day of the week", rose and appeared to the disciples (cf. Mt 28:1; Mk 16: 9; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1,19; Acts 20:7; I Cor 16: 2), and appeared to them again "eight days later" (Jn 20:26).

Sunday is the day on which the Risen Lord makes himself present among his followers, invites them to his banquet and shares himself with them so that they too, united and configured to him, may worship God properly.

Therefore, as I encourage people to give ever greater importance to the "Lord's Day", I am eager to highlight the central place of the Eucharist as a fundamental pillar of Sunday and of all ecclesial life. Indeed, at every Sunday Eucharistic celebration, the sanctification of the Christian people takes place as it will take place until the Sunday that never sets, the day of the definitive encounter of God with his creatures.

In this perspective, I express the hope that the Study Day promoted by this Dicastery on such a timely theme will contribute to the recovery of the Christian meaning of Sunday in the context of pastoral care and in every believer's life.

May the "Day of the Lord" that could well be called "the lord of days" regain all its importance and be perceived and lived to the full in the celebration of the Eucharist, from which the Christian community grows authentically and on which it depends (cf. "Presbyterorum Ordinis," n. 6).

As I assure you of my remembrance in prayer and invoke upon each one the motherly protection of Mary Most Holy, I warmly impart a special Apostolic Blessing to you, Venerable Brother, to your collaborators and to all the participants in this important meeting.

From the Vatican, 27 November 2006

BENEDICT XVI [Translation issued by the Holy See]

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