A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Another Gospel Goto page 1, 2  Next           Forum Index -> The Dragon, Beast and False Prophet Convention Center View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject: Another Gospel Galatians 1:6-8 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Paul was very clear. Anything that is taught that is different from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles is to be accursed. Please also make note of the specific mention of angels. Anyone who claims that an angel of God taught them something different from that which was taught by Christ and the Apostles is a false teacher. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: KY, You seem to be hinting that Ellen White added or detracted from the gospel in her many powerful writings. John MacArthur's book, "The Gospel According to Jesus" is a superb exposition on the Adventist gospel. Do you repudiate that book? The whole world is becoming polarized into believing either the three angels' messages or the three demons' messages. You haven't said much to indicate which side you are on. Do you side with the Religious Right, Christian Zionism, Benny Hinn and Antinomian theology? Which recognizable denomination do you favor? Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: I have not read John MacArthur's book. However, if it agrees with the prevailing teachings of the SDA church, then I will absolutely disagree with parts of it. I do not side with anything you mentioned. I am a Christian, and I became one the day I obeyed the Gospel and was immersed for the remission of my sins. I do not favor any denomimations. The purpose of denominationalism is division, and division is against the teaching of God's Word. I worship with a local congregation of Christians who seek to obey the Word of God. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: I did not say that John MacArthur agrees with the prevailing teachings of the SDA church. Isn't this thread about the gospel? Even I don't agree with the prevailing opinion of SDAs on their misunderstanding of the true Seventh-day Adventist gospel. Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: I see your point. Yes this thread is about the Gospel of Christ, but not about a "true Seventh-day Adventist gospel". According to the gospel that MacArthur talks about in his book, what are the requirements for one to be saved, and to ultimately have a home in heaven? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Prove it Aren't you here to denounce the gospel writings and Christian ministry of Ellen G. White? I can't encapsulate MacArthur's book into a neat little formula on salvation. You claim that the gospel of Christ is not the true Seventh-day Adventist gospel. Are you one of those Christians that puts all of their energy into accusing and nothing toward evidence, demonstration and proof? Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: I am not asking you to encapsulate the entire book into a formula. Let me rephrase my question. What is required of an alien sinner in order for that person to become a child of God and to ultimately spend eternity in Heaven? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: KY, Immediately before you started this thread you private messaged me saying that the SDA church is "built upon false teaching" and that "Ellen G. White was a false prophet. There is no doubt about that." And with great confidence you asserted that "most of her teachings are not Scriptural." Now you're pretending to be a friendly questioner who doesn't know what a true Seventh-day Adventist believes. You need to stop the charade. I respect the Christian ministry of Ellen G. White. Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: I am not trying to be anything. You said you do not agree with the prevailing opinions of the SDAs, so I am not sure exactly what you do believe about becoming a child of God. If you are unwilling to discuss what you believe, then I guess I have no interest in participating in this forum. I was under the impression that you were willing to study the Bible. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: You profess to know enough of Ellen G. White to label her a false prophet beyond all doubt. I claim she truly exercised the gift of prophecy and was obviously a Christian and a true prophet. If you haven't read any of the deep theology of Ellen White but merely accuse others out of blindness and ignorance, then you truly don't know what I believe. Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: If she is a true prophet, then it should be easy to show one prophecy of hers that came true. Just one would suffice. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: The Lord's Messenger KYChristian wrote: If she is a true prophet, then it should be easy to show one prophecy of hers that came true. Just one would suffice. I believe that you misunderstand what the Bible teaches about the prophetic gift. Jesus called Jonah a prophet (Matthew 12:39) but Jonah never predicted anything that came true. Zechariah summed up in one sentence the message of all the prophets who had preceded him: "The former prophets proclaimed, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, Return now from your evil ways and from your evil deeds’" (Zech 1:4). God through the prophet Jeremiah said, "I did not send these prophets, But they ran. I did not speak to them, But they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, Then they would have announced My words to My people, And would have turned them back from their evil way And from the evil of their deeds." Jeremiah 23:21-22. (New American Standard Bible). Ellen White most certainly stood in God's council and proclaimed God's messages to His people. Ellen White passes this test. Back to top   '); //--> KYChristian is under review Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 11 Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Let me see if I understand what you are saying. If someone claims that God has told them something, and it turns out to be absolutely false, they can still be considered a true prophet of God? I am speaking in general here. Would you consider such a person to be a reliable spokesman for God? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1006 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Please define "absolutely false" Read the book of Jonah and tell me if Jonah's message was "absolutely false". "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown" (Jonah 3:4). Also, please tell me if Matthew 24:34 is "absolutely false". "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." 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