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Eugene Shubert
the new William Miller
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 Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: The Corporate Guilt of the Seventh-day Adventist Church |
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| In relating an impressive dream, Steve Starman wrote: |
| The person told me that he would come to my house later that evening with “undeniable proof” of a concealed, dangerous corporate or governmental cover-up: my suspicions were confirmed. He appeared at the house with a protective body suit, not unlike a suit for radiation or biohazard workers, and left it with me. The understanding that I had from the stranger’s visit was that if experts examined the suit, all mysteries regarding the strange activities at the plant would be blown wide open. |
| Eugene Shubert wrote: |
| I am confident that this refers to the governing body of the corporate SDA church. I know first hand that the Seventh-day Adventist church really is a manufacturing facility that manufactures dangerous doctrines, for which one needs a protective suit. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy. |
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Can money buy Nazi medical ethics? See http://www.ewg.org/reports/perchlorate and http://thyroid.about.com/cs/toxicchemicalsan/a/perchlorate.htm.
This report of barbarous Adventist medical research on humans is so shameful that, if true, it perfectly illustrates the general disregard of Seventh-day Adventists for the souls of men and women. |
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Eugene Shubert
the new William Miller
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Location: Richardson Texas
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: The Laodicean Church |
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The fact that Nazi medical ethics can be bought at a major Adventist institution without SDAs whimpering or protesting is a perfect example of the self-righteousness and hypocrisy of Seventh-day Adventists. Many Adventists say that the charge of corporate guilt has no rational basis. It is rational to everyone who understands the story of Achan in the Bible (Joshua 7). "When Achan son of Zerah acted unfaithfully regarding the devoted things, did not wrath come upon the whole community of Israel? He was not the only one who died for his sin" (Joshua 22:20).
Do Adventists believe that their denial or ignorance of Joshua 7 means that everyone else is just as ignorant and just as clueless?
Do they really believe that Christians who read of an Adventist institution poisoning people for profit don't see the obvious hypocrisy of the whole Seventh-day Adventist Church?
Ellen G. White and the Bible teaches that there is a corporate guilt on all Seventh-day Adventists for the Seventh-day Adventist Church's toleration of the open sins of just one of its members. In fact many Christians, not just Ellen White, teach corporate guilt based on Joshua 7. "This incident illustrates well the principle of corporate solidarity and corporate guilt. The sin of one man brought the Lord’s anger down upon the entire nation." [1]. These are all clearly evident truths. They are only non-apparent to those who refuse to see them, the biblically ignorant and to those blinded by their own self-righteousness.
To all cowardly Adventists who are hiding behind Ellen White's skirt and pretending to be righteous, I say, stop reveling in your ignorance. Your callous indifference and apathy for the well-being of others is shameful. Please stop misrepresenting Ellen G. White. She is not on your side. Her writings abound with criticisms of you and of most Seventh-day Adventists. |
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Eugene Shubert
the new William Miller
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Location: Richardson Texas
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Here's an interesting reference that suggests that the General Conference doesn't have any control of Adventist hospitals.
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Published: August 18, 2005:
Checking the Adventist Review Online, ran across an interview conducted by Jeff Scoggins, who is a communications project manager for the Office of Global Mission at the 7th Day Adventist world headquarters.
He interviewed Leland Kaiser a healthcare consultant.
Here are some quotes from Mr. Kaiser.
"What I am suggesting is that a healthcare organization set aside 10% of their profits at the end of the year."
Excuse me, aren't not-for-profit 7th Day Adventist hospitals supposed to be not-for-profit?
Leland Kaiser goes on to say that not-for-profit 7th Day Adventist hospitals "resent the intrusion of the General Conference into the way they run their business.."
Note the word "business" that's different than their mission statement.
And getting back to young Rodney Vega the son of a 7th Day Adventist Pastor, who was apparently denied care by not-for-profit 7th Day Adventist Florida Hospital, simply because he was uninsured, that means when the #2 leader of the 7th Day Adventist Church apologized for what happened, it meant nothing. A simple PR stunt-because his hospitals "resent the intrusion of the General Conference into the way they run their business, according to Mr. Kaiser.
Hospitals acting under the auspices of the 7th Day Adventist Church.
A final quote from Mr. Kaiser.
"The Adventist churches are not built as being interested in their communities. If I go to a mayor or state representative and say `who is really helping you? Who's out there trying to grapple with issues-with poverty and ignorance and crime and disease?' You'll never hear them say, `The Adventist Church.' If there's any church that's mentioned, it'll be the Catholic Church."
So if he's right not-for-profit 7th Day Adventist hospitals are not really acting on behalf of the 7th Day Adventist Church.
If they have become a rogue operation, simply interested in making profits instead of serving our Lord Jesus Christ why doesn't the Church publicly censure them? [2]. |
In response to the last question, I'd answer by saying that the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists are prostituting themselves for the ungodly purpose of maintaining the illusion of there being peace in the family, an entirely political strategy. I don't know the full extent of their treason and prostitution yet but consider how the church does support and promote the spiritualistic teachings of Leland Kaiser [3] through Adventist Health Professionals Conferences. [4].
Cowardice and compromise must be the only solution that the Adventist hierarchy can see. That's my theory. I believe it's reasonable to conjecture that there's a symbiotic relationship between the leaders of Loma Linda Medical Center and the leaders of Loma Linda University.
| David P. McMahon wrote: |
| But the most remarkable revival of Waggonerian-like views on the atonement has taken place in the Division of Religion at Loma Linda University. In this department are those who repudiate the historic Christian doctrine of the substitutionary atonement in order to embrace "the moral influence theory." In fact, the moral influence theory has widely permeated West-Coast American Adventism. It has such a stranglehold on the church's principal financial base that the leaders of the church appear paralyzed and frightened to touch it. [5] |
Didn't we have the exact same relationship between the church hierarchy and the leaders of the medical center in Battle Creek, Michigan, which was following the doctrines of demons in Kellogg's day? |
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