Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: Tangled and disordered confusion
Ted,
Your webpage strikes me as a hodgepodge of disjointed thoughts and crazy ideas. Our forum policy has been to immediately move multi-layered incoherence to the jail forum. Because you're so passionate about your conspiracy theory, I'll intervene and give you time to explain yourself. How does your mix of protests against Catholics and unknown internet personalities of no consequence prove this one startling claim:
Ted McMillan wrote:
Soldiers loyal to the Constitution being killed off in Iraq by Insurgensts AND BY THEIR OWN COLLEAGUES! Reported deaths are shown to be actually less than half the actual toll!
I take it that you don't mean "friendly fire" but systematic extermination of American troops by Americans in Iraq for political, religious and/or ideological reasons. Is that correct?
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject:
If people work to take over our denomination and have it illegally changed to suit a Vatican agenda while telling people they can freely disagree, I am just one who will not smile while that is happening.
If my church was being transformed even with terminology from the
Quran, I'd be upset also. You might like that, but I'm part of many who do not.
Friendly fire incidents I contend, are also being orchestrated to kill of constitutional troops. That's why Matt. 6 tells us there will be wars and rumours of wars before then telling us we will lose our liberties. That's the way our liberties will be lost.
On the writeup shows Catholics who know this is happening and who approve of it.
I was surprised that you read so much in so little time. I must come to the conclusion that you had already seen the write up. _________________ For the Work Finished,
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: rumors of a war
Ted,
In your opening post you advertise a link and allege that there are things revealed there about the Iraq War that cannot be found anywhere else.
Your link asserts the following:
Quote:
Soldiers loyal to the Constitution being killed off in Iraq by Insurgensts AND BY THEIR OWN COLLEAGUES! Reported deaths are shown to be actually less than half the actual toll!
I asked for clarification and proof. You pointed to Matt. 6, which is not the correct citation for wars and rumors of wars. Also, you didn't explain why "wars and rumors of wars" must be fulfilled by Americans killing Americans.
If someone had posted a rumor of a war by Americans against Americans in Iraq, it doesn't make it so. I don't care if a nut-job says that he's Catholic and approves of murdering Protestants. I don't care if your source confesses to intentionally slaughtering Americans. Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:
Who would care if a nut-job middle Eastern man claims all Americans must die?
We are different. If someone thinks that Jesuits infiltrate everywhere merely because society is acting strangely, going backwards to old principles and calling them new, and having a crusade for free thought and anti-paranoia and then acting as thought police, they would know they are jesuits.
I won't call someone who issues the worst words of hate that controlled the earth for centuries a nut-job to signify he means nothing and then get all concerned because people report that. I am a sane person. I am not a conspirator, nor a jesuit nor a persecutor.
I would not arrest a man for joking about a bomb at an airport and then claim that someone who says all non-Catholics must die is a nut job that needs to remain free. I'm different. What can I tell you? Two different heavens for us maybe?
Know the difference between a "Conspiracy Theorist" and a Conspirator?
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:14 am Post subject:
Forgot about the Friendly Fire issue. Another one who would think a nut-job, under our dangerous era of terrorism is nutty enough to be free, came to the conclusion that our troops should not even be able to ask for protection on their Hum Vees.
There is a link on the website that shows more nuts very happy that certain American troops have died. One in particular is Pat Tillman: the former football star who gave up fame and fortune to fight for his country, but was mysteriously killed.
One thing that stands in the way of Global Tyranny are these military personnel. If they are not gotten rid of, prophecy itself would not be fulfilled. Documentation on the website shows President Abraham Lincoln guarding the military from other people who would view others who make the most hateful death curses as mere nut jobs that must remain healthy and free.
If it is not a fact that war is used to eliminate constitutional American soldiers and therefore fulfill what prophecy has said, you tell us how tyranny will be installed on America first and then the rest of the world with soldiers who would prevent this?
Why did political professionals not realize that our troops were not protected before typical janitors all over this country. Would those janitors believe that nut-jobs issuing death curses are nutty enough to be healthy and free? _________________ For the Work Finished,
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:55 am Post subject:
Other people gave that same apathetic reply to us about the people who claimed all not Catholic must die. When researching why those people, in fulfillment of prophecy, were so bold, we conclude it must be either because of my non-isolated reaction or yours.
Understanding Adventist prophecy does not place someone who claims all non-Catholics must die in the insane column and meaningless.
If folk like me ruled the world, such people would not be encouraged. They would get in trouble immediately and the fire would be under them.
Instantly much "mental illness" will be miraculously healed, and much lives will be miraculously saved. _________________ For the Work Finished,
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: Believing the words of crazy people is crazy
Ted,
The vast majority of Americans would be horrified to learn of a mass-murderer on the loose in this country with the passion to kill all non-Catholics. Also, the thought of an American soldier fighting in Iraq with the desire to kill all the non-Catholic Americans stationed there would be very disturbing to the truly American troops.
You are so out of touch with commonsense that you are taking the rants of a lunatic on the internet and believing that his messages are true. You have no real evidence for the truth of his claims. You're imagining things. There isn't even a shred of evidence to believe that the lunatic is Catholic. He is more likely a Seventh-day Adventist and not Catholic. My theory is that the lunatic is a Catholic hating Seventh-day Adventist with a multiple personality disorder. It follows reasonably well that the central Adventist personality is a paranoid schizophrenic. You seem to be a likely suspect for this crime. Has anyone suspected you of playing both roles?
A person crazy enough to say in public that all non-Catholics should be killed should be rounded up and taken to a mental hospital for observation.
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:01 pm Post subject:
Nobody else noticed that nor noticed the danger. They only claimed they acquired psychiatric, pharmaceutical and fashion designing credentials for my "tinfoil hat" when I was nutty enough to consider that more serious than a man joking about a bomb in an airport by insane police officers.
This is the identical dialogue that has been going on over the years. A man by the name of Ted Seeber condemned the US Constitution, liberty and privacy for years. During all that time no one even so much as called him a "nut job" or insane or anything of the like. They reserved those unkind names for me. Years passed by before someone came along and was instructed to call him a "nut job." Now one by one they thought of something they never noticed about him for years.
The man claims to even write articles in the Oregonian periodical. Who else has recognized the man's mental condition? But from thence, they all claim I'm a nut job also, but they can never tell me that is proof I need to be ignored. They even claim that I'm not even human for not liking death curses against billions of people.
Here is one of the examples of the identical dialogue someone else is having here against the figments of Jack Chick's very very vivid imagination in the person of the owners and moderators of the Beliefnet forum system. Compare the statements and ideas to what Susan was experiencing to what I'm now experiencing:
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We go to the psychiatric ward of a major hospital and see what they have there. We meet one man who thinks he is a hostess twinky and cries out, "Junk Food! Junk Food! Junk Food!" We meet a woman who thinks she is a chicken. So she is clucking in that place all day long. We go to another place in the hospital and a man think he is a bat, so he hangs from the top of his closet up-side-down, all day long. Then we go to another man you guys would naturally miss. He blurts out all the time that "liberty is useless and only causes schism," "The American Constitution is, "incredibly stupid and outdated," "persecution is BIBLICAL," and then winds up saying that ALL NON-CATHOLICS MUST DIE and, that it is, "JUST BUSINESS" to exterminate them. Once viewing something like this, we in, as you claim, our natural mode of insanity (in other words, nuts also) would instantly stop right there and realize, like Sesame Street says, "One of these things is not like the other!" Your mission, of course, is to urge us to move on in order to see other loonies. We, of course, would not be interested in the other loonies, for we see them all the time. Record for us where in any insane assylums or loonie bins do we see people who blurt out what the people we are talking about blurted out to impress upon us that all nuts are just alike and we are supposed to ignore the man. But your concept was that the guy was nuts, and therefore we MUST ignore him. You tell us that we cannot choose different if we expect not to be attacked by you. You then call us nuts, but don't believe we must be ignored. We don't even see on the evening news any patient in the insane assylums blurting out that all non-Catholics must die--THOUGH DOCUMENTED BY JACK CHICK AND CENTURIES OF PROTESTANT DOCUMENTATION ABOUT ROME.
Shan is therefore, according to you guys, nuts. Honest Catholics, upon reading these words will know and understand what has happened, because some already did and were shocked. Bad enough for a few people to say these words, the reactions to them is what tells the tale. If an Adventist blurts out that all Catholics must die, we would not accept your sanity and ignore such a person. NEITHER WOULD YOU! You would not say that the person is nuts and needs to be ignored. We would be very insensed at the person for issuing death curses against Rome. We would then STUDY the man, realizing that it is UNPRECEDENTED. Our faith doesn't have such a history. It would therefore catch our attention as something out of the ordinary AND SHOCKING. Shan, according to you must be dismissed BECAUSE IT IS NOT SHOCKING! That is part of our contention. His words and thoughts ruled the world FOR CENTURIES!
You then wonder why we would not listen to you self-appointed Count Draculas, looking into our eyes and constantly waving your hands in front of us saying, "Ignore the man. Ignore the man!" repeating and repeating to turn the truth into a lie. Shan and the others did properly represent Rome by their statements that matched documented Catholic thought for centuries, and you guys also properly represented Rome by your supportive reactions to their bold statements that even made them much more possible.
[Again...]
We are Protestants. If our church is ever attacked or embarrassed, we would be far more upset and insensed if that is accomplished by someone who claims to be a member of it than if someone attacked it from the outside. This is the standard reaction from every honest Christian. THIS IS THE STANDARD REACTION OF ROME ALSO! If Shan suddenly started to blurt out calmly that Rome killed millions of Protestants, has not changed, and is working to reaffirm has slaughters of the past, you all would not then just claim that he is nuts (like you say we are for doing this) and then work intolerantly to force everyone else to believe he should be ignored. Those Catholics on the forums who made those super-terrorist remarks you guys obviously agree with. We do not accept to be patiently Inquisitioned into the idea that we can go to insane asylums and routinely view people blurting out that it’s “just business” to exterminate all non-Catholics! _________________ For the Work Finished,
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:
Since you keep claiming that I don't issue proof, I'm baffled. I'm going to now have to copy the way you give proof.
You are illogical and insane. It is plain to see that Rome has not changed, still hates the constitution and all liberty, still believes all non-Catholics must die, and still infiltrates. End of story.
But for your identical accusation found on the Beliefnet system telling us that Ted Seeber was actually an Adventist infiltrating Rome to embarrass her, the first allergic question is why isn't anyone from Rome upset with him for misrepresenting and embarrassing Rome. If you claim he is nutty, what are the other infiltrators you delighted to tell us from Adventism doing the same thing that you have to ignore.
Is Rome now converting to Adventism? Giving up ecumenism? Giving up Sunday observance? Undergoing change and no longer seeking a One World Government? Does the Spirit of Prophecy tell us terrible times shall come for Adventists shall infiltrate Rome? If Adventism is infiltrating Rome as you claim, are they all nutty and should be ignored and should only those who condemn these infiltrators must raise the dander of the figments of Jack Chick's very vivid imagination?
There. Using your methods, I submitted the evidence in the second paragraph above.
How come your remarks and attitude are identicial to the super-criminals of Beliefnet? _________________ For the Work Finished,
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:09 am Post subject:
I just asked some simple questions Eugene.
You claimed that the people who said all non-Catholics must die on the internet that didn't concern anyone like you, were actually Catholic-hating Adventists infiltrators sent to embarrass Rome. Do people who embarrass Rome upset you? The Jesuits on the internet told us that people who embarrass Rome makes them very upset. When they brought this conspiracy theory lie about Adventists infiltrating and claiming all non-Catholics must die in order to embarrass Rome, did that bother the Jesuits?
Rome has a rich history with several orders within them. Ever heard of Jesuits? Knights of Columbus? Opus Dei? Documentation even from Historic Protestant documents show that they have a long history of infiltrating organizations they want to destroy. Kindly show us Adventist history with this enterprise. Show us your conspiracy theory of which orders are in Adventism that does what you said.
What are the names of those Adventist orders your conspiracy theories claim post hateful posts that makes the poster nutty and then must be ignored?
When were they established?
What links on the internet exposes or talks about them?
If no links are there: BINGO, why are other strange people upset when others embarrass Rome, but when lies are told about Adventist infiltrators you talk about, those infiltrators bother not one jesuit?
Pardon me for, in your perception, not proving my points! At least now give us just one link that reveals these orders of Adventists that infiltrate, make death curses against all non-Catholics to embarrass Rome, and then become so nutty, they should be ignored. _________________ For the Work Finished,
You claimed that the people who said all non-Catholics must die on the internet that didn't concern anyone like you, were actually Catholic-hating Adventists infiltrators sent to embarrass Rome.
I didn't say, imply nor do I believe that the crazy Catholic-hating Adventists are infiltrators. I also didn't say, imply nor do I believe that the crazy Catholic-hating Adventists are on a mission to embarrass Rome. Crazy Catholic-hating Adventists are just crazy.
Ted McMillan wrote:
The Jesuits on the internet told us that ...
You only imagine that the crazy people you listen to are Jesuits. We only know they are crazy and that you are crazy for listening to them. Their only impact on the world is in getting gullible persons to listen to them and to take them seriously. Their testimony is noise.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are not crazy. They are just morally evil. They know what they're doing. They make real threats and carry them out.
Someone posted a rumor of a war by Americans against Americans in Iraq and you believe it. The request that you provide real corroborative evidence of Americans intentionally murdering Americans in Iraq for religious reasons eludes you. You can't grasp the meaning or the purpose of my request. It's an absolute certainty that you don't understand the concept of proof. Your only witnesses are all certifiably crazy.
Stop wasting valuable time listening to raving lunatics and thinking that their testimony is valuable.
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Miami, Florida
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject:
Well correct me and show me how to present evidence by showing the groups of Adventists who infiltrate, make death curses against all Catholics and then bother not one Catholic on the internet. As you noticed, Jesuits on the internet are all in a pickle when it comes to hate. But for some reason the so-called "Catholic hating Adventists" are even defended by them. Not once were those so-called, "Catholic-hating Adventists reproved for their words of super-terror. Those who didn't like their words were reproved. Do you care to explain that? or is there a way to cover that up by constantly demanding that I give proof for what I say?
Still, even what I have shown about American against Americans even with commanders putting constitutional soldiers on the front lines and then having them inexcusably begging for body armor while Helliburton remains fat, you did not address that issue.
Now, which groups of Adventists infiltrate and make such harsh death curses, they are deemed as nutty and then of no concern. _________________ For the Work Finished,
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