Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 69 Location: Northern Calif
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: THE REAL SOURCE OF DIVINE DISCERNMENT
THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD GOD HIMSELF will tell you which is which.HE is the true source of DISCERNMENT...simply ask that gift and you will know the TRUTH FROM UNTRUTH. _________________ Wedded to Jesus in Love
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: THE REAL SOURCE OF DIVINE DISCERNMENT
WillieH: Amen.. Daisy!
Are you & I, the only ones that believe in the bible here?
Eugene is tied to EGW like a horse to a stall!
Blind guides... generation of vipers... this is what the Lord said of such statements as has been posted here by the moderator of this forum!
May the Lord have mercy on all these misled SDA's!
In JESUS, ...WillieH
DAISY wrote:
THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD GOD HIMSELF will tell you which is which.HE is the true source of DISCERNMENT...simply ask that gift and you will know the TRUTH FROM UNTRUTH.
You say that you are a Seventh-day Adventist. May I suggest that you go to the Official Ellen G. White Website and read what the Adventist prophet says about the heart. I'll only list one familiar statement that most Seventh-day Adventists should recognize.
Ellen G. White wrote:
All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us. EGW, The Desire of Ages, page 668.
Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 69 Location: Northern Calif
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject:
Willie:
I do beleive EGW is a true prophet of GOD.How do you think the Holy Book was written is it not through HIS anointed Prophets?I want you to Pray about that to the LORD and re read EGW's writings. _________________ Wedded to Jesus in Love
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: EGW, a True Prophet? ...NOT!
WillieH: Hello Daisy...
Just so you can get a feel as to who I am, and where I've been...
I was baptized (by SDA preacher) in 1976... I left the SDA church (mostly because of their attention to EGW's writings as opposed to SCRIPTURE) after 2yrs or so, which was the beginning of my search for the Lord... and HIS TRUTH... I attended the Salvation Army for 20yrs... I left the Salvation Army and now (off & on) attend the SDA church as it is the only SABBATH worship available in my area...
I DO NOT agree with SDA doctrine with the exception of CHRIST as SAVIOR... I see the SABBATH as given to Man as a gift, and enjoy it as such, rather than "Keeping" it as a Law requirement...
CHRIST came to FULFILL the Law.. and I believe that though the LAW is still necessary to determine SIN.. it is the lesser component, and is only the FOUNDATION upon which righteousness is built... If one is busy about keeping laws, one has harnessed him/herself to bondage... one should rather aspire to reach into the HEAVENLY places, seeking greater things than the Law could even approach...
From your posts I percieve you to be a sincere one, ...be careful not to partake of the leven of the Pharisees (of which EGW is a part), which bid you to stay within the walls of BABYLON...
That said... I KNOW Ellen G. White to be a fallible and incomplete, and sometimes ...blind guide... I can provide you with information you may research yourself if you like... she made statements that were UNFOUNDED, and FALSE many times in her writings... even the SDA denomination is beginning to see this...
In the end, it is the HOLY SPIRIT of CHRIST that we are to seek as GUIDE, and the HOLY WORD of GODALONE, is to be our GUIDEBOOK...
In the search for GOD, ...EGW's writings are COMPLETELY unecessary... she, I do believe, was a fallible yet sincere Christian, and because I FIRMLY believe in the GOSPEL which is intended for and shall SAVE ALL... that she WILL be in the Kingdom of God, as (eventually) will ALL of humanity..
If you choose, I will provide you with some of the FALLICIES that are contained in her writings.. you may research them and prove to yourself that these things I say here are in fact true, seeing for yourself whether they DO or do not EXIST within her writings...
You state that you believe EGW to be a TRUE PROPHET of God, and I say... God DOES NOT speak FALLICIES through ANNOINTED ones... The writings of MEN (including EGW, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc) are not in the same SPIRITUAL and HOLY category as the WORD of the ALMIGHTY... There are NO FALLICIES in God's Word, so in the end, the true test of ANY Prophets ANNOINTING is TOTAL TRUTH within that writing.... Satan spoke truth IN PART, and look where we are today because we (Adam & Eve) believed that PARTIAL TRUTH!
Think about it... Why would God wait until the "1800's" to give man instruction he needed? The TRUTH is, ...He didnt! He gave sufficient knowledge within EACH book of His Word that contains the necessary knowledge of Salvation and of Christ... Mankind does NOT need EGW or any other Man's writings... what Mankind needs is the WORD of GOD! Anyone who says different is of the DEVIL and DECIEVES those that listen to them...
I hope I have not been offensive here, but it is time for those that truly hear the Lord, to come out of BABYLON.. for the time of man is short, and the Day of God is at hand... It is a serious matter... I appeal to you to NOT pass it off in the name of RELIGION, which bids its prisoners to STAY..
In JESUS, ...WillieH
"...Come out of HER (babylon) my people that ye be not PARTAKERS of Her sins and recieve NOT of Her PLAGUES..." (Rev 18:4)
DAISY wrote:
Willie:
I do beleive EGW is a true prophet of GOD.How do you think the Holy Book was written is it not through HIS anointed Prophets?I want you to Pray about that to the LORD and re read EGW's writings.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Examples of EGW contradicting GOD's WORD...
WillieH: I will give 3 examples of EGW's contradictory writings... I will later add several more...
Biblical contradictions:
1. Was the plan of Salvation made AFTER the "Fall"? EGW - YES: "The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately AFTER the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race" (Great Controversy, p.347)
BIBLE - NO: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from you vain conversation recieved by TRADITION from your fathers; but with the precious BLOOD of CHRIST as of a lamb without spot: Who verily was FOREORDAINED ...BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the World, but was manifest in these last times for you." (1 Pet 18-20).
BIBLE - NO: "According as He hath chosen us in Him BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the World. that we should be Holy and without blame before Him in love." (Eph 1:4)
Note: The Gospel of Salvation through GRACE by faith in JESUS CHRIST was ALREADY ...in existence BEFORE the Creation of this World. EGW contradicts the Bible by claiming the plan of Salvation was devised AFTER the fall of Adam and Eve. Also in this deception, she portrays God as having been caught "off guard" by the events of transgression and THEN, had to institute a plan to save His creatures from their mistake... NOT!
2. Was ADAM ...DECIEVED by Satan?
EGW - YES: "Satan who is the father of lies decieved ADAM in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law" (Evangelism, p.598)
BIBLE - NO: "And Adam was NOT DECIEVED, but the WOMAN being DECIEVED was in the transgression" (1 Tim 2:14)
Note: Who showed EGW that Satan deceived Adam, when the BIBLE says Adam WAS NOT DECEIVED?
3. Did Pre-Flood humans mate with animals and give birth to new SUBHUMAN species and races?
EGW - YES: "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere" (Spiritual Gifts, Vol 3 p.64)
BIBLE - NO: "And God said, let the earth bring forth the living creature AFTER HIS KIND, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth AFTER HIS KIND and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth AFTER HIS KIND, and cattle AFTER THEIR KIND and everything that creepeth upon the earth AFTER HIS KIND: and God said that it was Good" (Genesis 1:24-25)
Note: 5 times in these 2 verses God states that animals can only reproduce... "according to their OWN KINDS." Horses cannot mate with birds and produce offspring. Neither can Humans mate with monkeys and produce offspring. Even SDA scientists and the Ellen G. White estate admits that in this EGW was simply WRONG.
May the Lord bless you as you seek Him... detouring you from deception..
In JESUS, ...WillieH
PS... Are you gonna delete this post Eugene? Or are you gonna research it and ALIGN your belief to Scripture instead of EGW? I pray you go with the WORD of GOD...
I will give 3 examples of EGW's contradictory writings... I will later add several more...
Stuff like this is plastered throughout cyberspace. And your ability to google for Ellen G. White critics and rehash endless trash doesn't impress me. Recall the rules of this forum. It's not intended to be your personal blog. It's for intelligent dialogue. Why don't you state, in the inflated opinion of the greatness of your mind, what you are most confident and certain about regarding the clearest facts, which identify the single most incontrovertible EGW contradictory statement? That way, readers can focus on the specifics of undeniable evidence and see in vivid detail the difference between your very best criticism and, hopefully, the reasonableness of a thoughtful response.
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: Deceived...
Eugene Shubert wrote:
Stuff like this is plastered throughout cyberspace. And your ability to google for Ellen G. White critics and rehash endless trash doesn't impress me. Recall the rules of this forum. It's not intended to be your personal blog. It's for intelligent dialogue. Why don't you state, in the inflated opinion of the greatness of your mind, what you are most confident and certain about regarding the clearest facts, which identify the single most incontrovertible EGW contradictory statement? That way, readers can focus on the specifics of undeniable evidence and see in vivid detail the difference between your very best criticism and, hopefully, the reasonableness of a thoughtful response.
WillieH: Hello Eugene... You still havent learned much about greeting have you?
Concerning your comments on me, and my post exposing the FACT that the writings of EGW are flawed, and in contradiction to the Bible... (and BTW I could care LESS about IMPRESSING... YOU! It is YOU that endeavor to impress others with your 25 cent words... to that I say: "..the testimony of the LORD is sure, making WISE the SIMPLE" (Ps 19:7), guess that leaves the self-exhalting, intellectual approach you have chosen, ...out!)
I Noticed that you did NOT DENY what I stated... You merely put up your carefully and intellectually contrived SDA "smoke screen" and rather than debunk what I have said, you attack my person as just as the Pharisees attacked Christ as HE spoke TRUTH... and effectively DISROBED deception via the WORD of GOD (and not EGW)!
You will likely, cling to your tradition all the way into the Lake of Fire, and because of this, you shall bring many others along with you.. Christ wrote of your kind... "Many shall come in MY NAME saying I am Christ ...and SHALL DECIEVE MANY" (Mk 13:6/Mat 24:5)
You have made EGW into a God... you point sincere souls to her writings instead of pointing to the true Light of the HOLY WORD of GOD...
In your reply, you plead for a single incontrovertible EGW statement? I have given you 3 here, and there is MUCH MORE to come! (unless you ban it because you cannot defend her... You, by doing so, would only admit that what I have said about her is true... and admit in doing so, that YOU are INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING these READERS!
Where in Scripture is this "amalgamation" of man and beast mentioned? (as noted by EGW)
Also, it is not found to be true that the PLAN of SALVATION was devised AFTER the "fall" of man... (as written by EGW)
Also, she CONTRADICTS the testimony of PAUL in saying that ADAM was DECIEVED.... 3 out of 3! Thats pretty INCONTROVERIBLE is it not?
Why do you need MORE? With your mindset... I could present a million contradictions and you would RELIGIOUSLY and STUBBORNLY, remain in your DENIAL.. The scriptures wrote of you elsewhere: actually the whole 23rd chapter of Matthew is applicable, but center on verse 15... "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye compass the sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold MORE the CHILD of HELL than YOURSELVES" (TAKE HEED Mr. Shubert... as to what you preach!)
If EGW's writings are false and contradictory even in the slightest, satan has had his deceptive hand in them...
Remember, satans greatest tool of deception is to partially quote the scriptures, whilst weaving into his quotes the threads of deception:
"..Ye shall NOT surely DIE (LIE), for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as God, KNOWING Good and Evil (TRUTH).. (GEN 3:4-5) - The portion of satans quote that is a LIE, is that the eating of the fruit DID bring forth DEATH in the decieved ones.. the TRUTH portion of satans quote is verified in Gen 3:22) "And the LORD GOD said, ..behold, the man IS BECOME as ONE OF US, to KNOW Good and Evil" (Gen 3:22) This is a prime example of satans SUBTLE decieving power... It, in its SUBTLE form is also found in the writings of EGW (as I have pointed out with the 3 examples given...)
Only the Bible may be trusted... and those that truly believe in JESUS CHRIST shall point to HIM ALONE as the Savior and the ONLY TRUTH... EGW is an OBVIOUS COUNTERFEIT and YOU stand in Her defense! What does that make you? ...An accessory, to both EGW and SATAN.. at the very least!
If this forum is (or is meant to be) dedicated to the spreading of TRUTH... It fails miserably...
I pray for your conversion Eugene... you have here, many tools that may be used for Truth... that at present, are being used as ammunition for the adversary..
Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 69 Location: Northern Calif
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: PRIVATE MESSAGES DATED AUGUST 22,2005
I wrote to Willie through the private messages which I know Mr.Eugene read since he runs this board FAIRLY OR UNFAIRLY THAT YOU NEED TO JUDGE yourself SPECIALLY THOSE WHOM HE TREATED UNFAIRLY. Mr. Eugene even scratch out the original tittle & replaced it with HIS OWN VERSION that put me in the bad light.
I have told you before and time again that I DO NOT GET OFFENDED BY WHAT YOU DO TO ME& TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TREATED UNFAIRLY.The LORD JESUS admonished to all NOT TO GET OFFENDED since HE KNOWS how to deal with the offender HIMSELF.
This is what the LORD JESUS THINKS ABOUT THIS:"Be sensitive and careful to NOT VIOLATE THE BOUNDARIES OF OTHERS...to do so will bring quick and unpleasant consequences.Even when others VIOLATE YOUR SPACE,it is not a good idea to respond in kind or react negatively,for that will certainly open the door to insecurity and produce results you WILL REGRET.BE WISE,exercising PATIENCE & FORGIVENESS will yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness.
"LEARN TO GIVE ME ALL YOUR CONCERNS,PRAY TO ME ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MALIGN YOU & I WILL BE THE JUDGE & WILL GIVE THE RIGHT REMEDY.LEARN TO DISCERN MY SPIRIT FIRST BEFORE LAUNCHING ANYTHING OF YOUR OWN.I WILL GUIDE YOU TO WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO.CALL ON ME YOUR JESUS FIRST BEFORE YOUR EMOTIONS GET OUT OF CONTROL."
Back to the private messages I wrote Willie go back to the thread 'IS BIBLE RATIONAL"which Mr. Eugene TITTLED HIMSELF TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD AND SO THAT PEOPLE WILL BE TURNED OF IN GOING TO THE JAIL WHERE HE ASSIGNED ME.He mentioned that the JAIL is the place where all junks like me is supposed to stay.
IS THAT ALLEGATIONS OF HIS TRUE OR FALSE?YOU BE THE JUDGE! _________________ Wedded to Jesus in Love
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The TRUTH is, ...He didnt! He gave sufficient knowledge within EACH book of His Word that contains the necessary knowledge of Salvation and of Christ... Mankind does NOT need EGW or any other Man's writings... what Mankind 
