A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum   In our aim to exalt everything important, first and foremost, we seek to promote a clear understanding of Daniel, Revelation, the three angels' messages and the alpha and omega of apostasy.    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What a load of hooey           Forum Index -> The Bottomless Pit View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: THE PHILOSOPHY GOVERNING THIS FORUM Eugene Shubert wrote: Here is a brief description of the basic principles that govern this forum. We strongly oppose censorship. “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” 2 Corinthians 3:17. We strongly believe that clear and articulate differences of opinion have merit. “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” Proverbs 27:17. We’re not like other bulletin boards. Virtually all theologically oriented forums promote a “herd” mentality and the ever so lovely “that we all may be one” agenda. They don’t say there’s a difference between the holy and profane. This forum will allow good and evil and will attempt to reveal the difference. “Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane.” Ezekiel 22:26 KJV. Consequently: Everyone has the right to openly challenge the theology taught by this ministry and all the administrative decisions of the forum. We want to be fair and reasonable with everyone. We believe in being open because we love the truth and aren’t afraid of revealing our principles (John 3:19-21). WillieH: Hello again, Mr. New William Miller... What a load of hooey is the above quote! ALL you do in your HYPOCRITICAL moderation of this forum is CENSOR... If you are up to the CHALLENGE then LET ALL here view mine to YOU! If NOT, then do as is your habit... To OPPOSE CHALLENGE taught by this ministry... I have done so, and you have done (hypocritically) the opposite of what you herein say... SCRIBES, PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES.. Jesus wrote well of you... I expect this post to be deleted, as is your habit to do so to those that CHALLENGE YOU... You LOVE NOT the TRUTH... you PREACH NOT the TRUTH... you are INDEED afraid of the EXPOSING of your FALSE TEACHING... The only thing you REVEAL, is YOURSELF... I pray for you Eugene.. (do you reciprocate? Or do you not understand the principle?) If you only knew that it is my intention to WAKE YOU from your SPIRITUAL SLUMBER... In JESUS ...WillieH...servant Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:43 am    Post subject: What is EGW's most glaring contradiction to Scripture? Does this forum censure? Look around. You're in the Bottomless Pit. "The specialty of this place is pure dissolution, chaos, without love or light and no restraints, within limits." Twaddle and bold arrogant lies, such as what you post, belong here. There is, of course, no reason to allow endless rants and rambling but the Bottomless Pit is undeniable proof that this forum allows messages that violate ordinary civility. For an example of remarkable civility and respect being integral to highly esteemed opposition to the theology of this ministry, just read the very articulate and helpful messages in this thread by the high ranking scholar, Eduardo Martínez Rancaño. Here's an idea that I don't expect unreasoning animals to understand: Eugene Shubert wrote: WillieH wrote: I will give 3 examples of EGW's contradictory writings... I will later add several more... Stuff like this is plastered throughout cyberspace. And your ability to google for Ellen G. White critics and rehash endless trash doesn't impress me. Recall the rules of this forum. It's not intended to be your personal blog. It's for intelligent dialogue. Why don't you state, in the inflated opinion of the greatness of your mind, what you are most confident and certain about regarding the clearest facts, which identify the single most incontrovertible EGW contradictory statement? That way, readers can focus on the specifics of undeniable evidence and see in vivid detail the difference between your very best criticism and, hopefully, the reasonableness of a thoughtful response. This forum welcomes respectful challenges. If you can prove that Ellen G. White contradicted the Bible, for example, then I welcome it. What I don't want is for you to evade a good answer by thoughtlessly copying and pasting endless attacks on Ellen G. White. So please do some research and not just ignorantly repeat the slander of antichristian websites. Prove you're thinking on your own. Find what you can attest to as being the clearest, most obvious, most damming EGW Bible contradiction. Let it be on an important Bible fact, doctrine, concept or theme you know best. Pick one allegation, not two or three. Is it too much for you to put your reputation at stake and say that you know what you're talking about? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Unreasoning animals... WillieH: Hello Eugene... Twaddle? Arrogant? Much as the curse Pharoah brought same upon himself, do your words work toward unfolding your future... Your tunic is showing mr. pharisee... Again, you make it clear that you know not Christ... That, instead of the forgiveness and respect and greeting that IS REQUIRED of a true believer, ...you call ones that disagree with your pompous attitude and unfounded (unscriptural) beliefs - UNREASONING ANIMALS... You are an intellectual by man's measure, but tweedle as an INFANT when it comes to Spiritual understanding and teaching... Tweedle, twaddle & twit... 3 descriptive words exposing your lack... I pray for you Eugene.. (do you reciprocate? or as you make it clear... do not comprehend the RIVER of LIFE) You call my post an attack on EGW... when in truth, it is the truth! You cant and DONT refute it... you try justifying EGW by saying that her equation of 2+2 being 5 is something I cut & pasted... What a TWIT! You have nothing for a foundation... So Tweedle, just take your ball and go home little boy. EGW was a false teacher, as are her little offspring... one of which is the "New William Miller... alias TWEEDLE" In JESUS ...WillieH Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: WillieH wrote: Instead of the forgiveness and respect and greeting that IS REQUIRED of a true believer, ...you call ones that disagree with your pompous attitude and unfounded (unscriptural) beliefs - UNREASONING ANIMALS... You already introduced yourself to me and this was my reply. Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:09 pm    Post subject: Forgiveness... WillieH: Hi Eugene... Father, forgive tweedle/twaddle, for he knows NOT what he does.. In JESUS ...WillieH Back to top   '); //--> spozzie Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 68 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:19 am    Post subject: Ad hominem Hi all This is not directed at any one in particular: but has anyone on this discussion board heard of the ad hominem fallacy? Allow me to quote: Quote: An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form: Person A makes claim X. Person B makes an attack on person A. Therefore A's claim is false. The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). (www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) I find this approach to argument deeply disturbing, especially in a Christian forum. What does it say to others who are watching who are not Christians? Will they find this form of "Christian" dialogue attractive? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Censor... WillieH: Hi Spozz... I have endeavored to present BIBLICAL foundation that firmly goes against statements in the writings of EGW, to which my posts have been RE-TITLED and MOVED (to "Jail" or "Hell" here on this forum) instead of being answered or refuted... Eugene has the proverbial "ball", and if we dont play his way, he takes his ball and goes home... what kind of immature level is that? If EGW was indeed a prophet of God, and her writings INSPIRED, they would NEVER... DISAGREE with scripture.... EVER! They in fact, do DISAGREE with scripture in many places... not only that, but she contradicts her own writings in several places... These things are PLAIN and easily OBSERVABLE evidence that she IS NOT SENT of God... If she were, she would not only agree in ALL PLACES with the Bible, but GLORIFY ALL biblical doctrines in the process, certainly NOT disagree! May the Lord bless the hearts of those that SEEK with the WHOLE HEART, In JESUS, ...WillieH...servant... Back to top   '); //--> tall73 Seventh-day Adventist Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 96 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: WilleH The facts are Eugene DOES allow you to say whatever you want. He just allows you to say it in one of the lower forums so people know that his ministry does not endorse it. I agree with Eugene on a lot of things, but not some of the particulars of his prophetic understanding. He permitted me to post such disagreement, but it was moved to a different forum. Since I simply read what posts I missed since my last visit anyway I can always choose to read--or not to read-- the various articles no matter where they are at. While this system may seem a bit abrasive it is actually quite helpful. There are a lot of Christain forums where you cannot even have ANY decent conversation because athiests just come in and post the most obscene things just to evoke a response. This forums relegates all of that to one place. 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