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WillieH: Hi AW... It appears by your answer that the flower of humility does grow in your garden! By your reply here, you admit you have many unanswered questions... Einstein once said that no man even knows 1% of reality... Is it not possible... heck.. highly LIKELY that GOD and His vast power and knowledge EASILY RESIDES beyond our 1% in the 99% we are unable to observe or comprehend?? You don't believe in GOD because you can't find his fingerprints? Because YOU had a BEGINNING you think your Creator had to have one? Why would He stoop so low as to be like us? You just have it backwards... He made us to be LIKE HIM... And in ETERNITY (which is what/how/where HE is LIKE) we shall all find out why He had no BEGINNING... Til then YOU will be left to wonder... in futility... but those of us that accept Him and His wonderful and mysterious DISATTACHMENT to TIME, ...peacefully ACCEPT His hidden things... Seek Him, then maybe you will find answers to your questions... but, ..til then.. here are a couple of "stand-in's"... ... ... ... Nipples on men... titty whistles.. viruses... so drug companies could make $$ hurricanes... kites & flags... goosebumps... arm traction... wisdom teeth... so we could at least claim we had something related to it.. earthquakes... to test our bridges (especially in 'Frisco... extra rib... in case one breaks we have a spare... women with useless tubes... so they could invent transistors that work.. dandelion flowers... would you rather have had dandetiger flowers? deep sea angler fish... so's we could tell that something was pretty... Hope this helps WOLF BOY... PS.. your view is of MACRO Evolution, ..NOT MICRO Evolution (which there is NONE) In JESUS ...WillieH Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Quote: By your reply here, you admit you have many unanswered questions... well... I'd say that if what you believe is true (god being loving, fair, merciful, etc), YOU have many questions to answer. I believe I know the answer to those particular questions though. More questions do arise from the answers, but that's science. Quote: Einstein once said that no man even knows 1% of reality... Is it not possible... heck.. highly LIKELY that GOD and His vast power and knowledge EASILY RESIDES beyond our 1% in the 99% we are unable to observe or comprehend?? first- it depends how you define reality. the percentage could greately change depending on how you define it. If einstein meant that no one man is able to comprehend everything that goes on in the universe, then I'd say it's even lower (much, much lower), however if he meant the processes by which the universe works, then it's much, much higher. it could mean a vast number of things... and besides, he may have been smart but he didn't know it all either. and is it not possible... heck... highly LIKELY that 23456982871734854 gods easily reside beyond our "1% in the 99%" we are unable to observe and comprehend? Quote: You don't believe in GOD because you can't find his fingerprints? I don't believe in YOUR god because not only can i not find his fingerprints, but because the evidence is against it. I do not believe in any god(s) because there is no reason for me to. WHY should I believe? Quote: Because YOU had a BEGINNING you think your Creator had to have one? Why would He stoop so low as to be like us? by the latter question you are already ASSUMING he/she/it/them exists. if he would stoop so low, then he exists, so he didn't have a beginning... but he's stooping low enough that he had to have a beginning... which means he doesn't exist so he can't stoop so low. Quote: You just have it backwards... He made us to be LIKE HIM how like him? physically? then he is not perfect since we have backpains, we can't fly, we aren't omnipresent, etc.... why would he be physical anyway? and why is it a HE? why does god need a penis, testes? if it's a female, then why does it need a vagina, breasts, etc? if it's asexual then why does it need hair, a stomach, a liver, hands, feet, etc? and why does he only have one physical form? for us to be created in his image, he must only have one image... otherwise we could be any image we wanted to because he can do that too. if it's mentally... boy... we are all sinners so he's a sinner too? he has greed, jealousy, anger, etc? if we were created in his image as in mentally, then why are we not like him mentally? are we like god in ANY way? why couldn't a perfect being make something like he? Quote: Nipples on men... titty whistles.. viruses... so drug companies could make $$ hurricanes... kites & flags... goosebumps... arm traction... wisdom teeth... so we could at least claim we had something related to it.. earthquakes... to test our bridges (especially in 'Frisco... extra rib... in case one breaks we have a spare... women with useless tubes... so they could invent transistors that work.. dandelion flowers... would you rather have had dandetiger flowers? deep sea angler fish... so's we could tell that something was pretty... do you REALLY believe that? there would be no drug companies without viruses so without viruses drug companies would not need to make money. kites and flags are useless in a hurricane. goosebumps don't give you arm traction, and you don't need arm traction at all. earthquakes to test our bridges??? umm... test them for what? for earthquakes? lol the extra rib is not in everyone, and if one breaks having an extra rib makes absolutely no difference. Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: fart... WillieH: In your general direction... conversing with you no matter what is said, is like a whisper in a tornado.. You do not wish to learn because you already know it all.. I will leave you to your foolishness.. And the Lord will reprove you in His time (yes HIS.. Btw He has no gender and no real comparisions to us other than He is spirit as are we) I watch Judge Joe Brown on occasion, and you remind me of many of those that come before him... full of themselves... lacking in humility... and lying through their teeth... Its okay... You WILL one day find out... In JESUS... WillieH TheAlphaWolf wrote: Quote: By your reply here, you admit you have many unanswered questions... well... I'd say that if what you believe is true (god being loving, fair, merciful, etc), YOU have many questions to answer. I believe I know the answer to those particular questions though. More questions do arise from the answers, but that's science. Quote: Einstein once said that no man even knows 1% of reality... Is it not possible... heck.. highly LIKELY that GOD and His vast power and knowledge EASILY RESIDES beyond our 1% in the 99% we are unable to observe or comprehend?? first- it depends how you define reality. the percentage could greately change depending on how you define it. If einstein meant that no one man is able to comprehend everything that goes on in the universe, then I'd say it's even lower (much, much lower), however if he meant the processes by which the universe works, then it's much, much higher. it could mean a vast number of things... and besides, he may have been smart but he didn't know it all either. and is it not possible... heck... highly LIKELY that 23456982871734854 gods easily reside beyond our "1% in the 99%" we are unable to observe and comprehend? Quote: You don't believe in GOD because you can't find his fingerprints? I don't believe in YOUR god because not only can i not find his fingerprints, but because the evidence is against it. I do not believe in any god(s) because there is no reason for me to. WHY should I believe? Quote: Because YOU had a BEGINNING you think your Creator had to have one? Why would He stoop so low as to be like us? by the latter question you are already ASSUMING he/she/it/them exists. if he would stoop so low, then he exists, so he didn't have a beginning... but he's stooping low enough that he had to have a beginning... which means he doesn't exist so he can't stoop so low. Quote: You just have it backwards... He made us to be LIKE HIM how like him? physically? then he is not perfect since we have backpains, we can't fly, we aren't omnipresent, etc.... why would he be physical anyway? and why is it a HE? why does god need a penis, testes? if it's a female, then why does it need a vagina, breasts, etc? if it's asexual then why does it need hair, a stomach, a liver, hands, feet, etc? and why does he only have one physical form? for us to be created in his image, he must only have one image... otherwise we could be any image we wanted to because he can do that too. if it's mentally... boy... we are all sinners so he's a sinner too? he has greed, jealousy, anger, etc? if we were created in his image as in mentally, then why are we not like him mentally? are we like god in ANY way? why couldn't a perfect being make something like he? Quote: Nipples on men... titty whistles.. viruses... so drug companies could make $$ hurricanes... kites & flags... goosebumps... arm traction... wisdom teeth... so we could at least claim we had something related to it.. earthquakes... to test our bridges (especially in 'Frisco... extra rib... in case one breaks we have a spare... women with useless tubes... so they could invent transistors that work.. dandelion flowers... would you rather have had dandetiger flowers? deep sea angler fish... so's we could tell that something was pretty... do you REALLY believe that? there would be no drug companies without viruses so without viruses drug companies would not need to make money. kites and flags are useless in a hurricane. goosebumps don't give you arm traction, and you don't need arm traction at all. earthquakes to test our bridges??? umm... test them for what? for earthquakes? lol the extra rib is not in everyone, and if one breaks having an extra rib makes absolutely no difference. Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Quote: WillieH: In your general direction... conversing with you no matter what is said, is like a whisper in a tornado.. You do not wish to learn because you already know it all.. I will leave you to your foolishness.. The same can be said about you. Quote: full of themselves... lacking in humility... and lying through their teeth... lying? when did i lie? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: Lying.. WillieH: Your entire presentation is a lie of Satan.. You think it proceeds from you and even in that you are decieved... You do his (Satans) bidding by your words, ...the real you is hidden in the deceit... The fleshly mind where you now dwell shall perish... and in the fire.... you shall be saved by our Lord... in spite of yourself and your foolishness... TheAlphaWolf wrote: Quote: WillieH: In your general direction... conversing with you no matter what is said, is like a whisper in a tornado.. You do not wish to learn because you already know it all.. I will leave you to your foolishness.. The same can be said about you. Quote: full of themselves... lacking in humility... and lying through their teeth... lying? when did i lie? Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Forest for the trees... Alpha Wolf... You cant even see the forest for the trees.. You can't even recognize joking and sarcasm! My leading off with "titty whistles" should've given you a hint.. But you are so intent on arguing with me, that you didnt notice those comments were written as a joke (testing bridges? kites in Hurricanes? ...come on!)... In hopes we might break the ice of friendship and discussion, but again... this is not your intent... You already know everything and it is your motive to display this self appointed majesty to others... You, by your words degrade yourself with your continuous sarcasm and foolish rantings.... However... You remind me of the bullies of childhood.. they thought much more of themselves and their evil practices than was warranted, and eventually reaped what they had sown... I pity you.. but... I also pray for you, ...that your blindness be lifted... For one that is mentally gifted (which appears may be a possibility in you) can be of good use to our Creator... As long as you sit on the proverbial "fence" as an "agnostic" (what a cop-out...) you will remain useless to yourself and all those you intend on defeating, ...because that is your motive... Those that prey on others end up being prey in the end... So you have been warned... no doubt as is your habit... you won't listen... I leave you to your godless world.. to this life (which is NOT all you have, in spite of your short-sightedness).. I also forgive you for your words against our Creator... and myself... with apologies for any of my words that you might have considered slanderous during our short-lived conversation... Well.. auf weidesehen, sayonara, adios, and hasta la vista baby! In JESUS ...WillieH Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Quote: WillieH: Your entire presentation is a lie of Satan.. show me the lies. Quote: You cant even see the forest for the trees.. You can't even recognize joking and sarcasm! My leading off with "titty whistles" should've given you a hint.. But you are so intent on arguing with me, that you didnt notice those comments were written as a joke (testing bridges? kites in Hurricanes? ...come on!)... lol, I've seen stranger things... some people are just plain stupid. And since I dont' know you, I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not, since other people would have been serious. also... why would you joke if you had anything better to say? you obviously don't know the answer and so you're weakening your position by joking about it instead of actually debating. Quote: You already know everything and it is your motive to display this self appointed majesty to others... You, by your words degrade yourself with your continuous sarcasm and foolish rantings.... However... that's you. you're the one saying i'm full of lies and satan and evil and all that crap. which is the real cop-out. you have nothing good to say so you say stupid stuff. Quote: For one that is mentally gifted (which appears may be a possibility in you) can be of good use to our Creator... lol... first I wouldn't consider myself mentally gifted although I do appreciate the compliment. and it has been shown through studies that there is an inverse relation between religiousness and intelligence, which i'm sure you will ignore and say are lies by satan... which is narrow-minded, close-minded, incredibly foolish, etc... "satan" works through reason, logic, intelligence, and knowledge. Your god apparently works through narrow-mindedness, ignorance, irrationality, etc. Quote: As long as you sit on the proverbial "fence" as an "agnostic" (what a cop-out...) how is that a cop-out? Quote: Those that prey on others end up being prey in the end... So you have been warned... no doubt as is your habit... you won't listen... well, YOU defeat me. They keep telling me i will someday be defeated and stuff, but to this day nobody has (in evolution vs. creationism, or in religious debates... as for other debates, i sure have) I think that's a cop-out. You're full of cop-outs. Quote: I also forgive you for your words against our Creator... and myself... with apologies for any of my words that you might have considered slanderous during our short-lived conversation... after this post I had not said anything against you. and I just asked questions about "our creator", which ... well, they are against your creator... nevermind. questions and answers show the truth, and the truth is that your creator doesn't exist, so the questions/answers are against your creator. Back to top   '); //--> Rogue Physicist sentient bipedal physicist Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 78 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Quote: women with useless tubes... so they could invent transistors that work.. I really object to this: transistors are crap. Tubes are the only way to get power, reliability, and quality of signal. (Just curious though: what 'tubes' do women have that are 'redundant'? I missed that in biology/sex ed class. Must have been asleep. Please don't tell me it is the vagina, I was hoping this isn't another gay apologist thread) Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: the useless tubes in women are called epoophoron. They're a cluster of dead-end tubes near the ovaries that becomes the vas deferns in males. Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: He/she's all yours... WillieH: Hey RP... The "tube"/"transistor" thing here was sarcasm... I leave (for discussion) this one to you.. He/she is on the know-it-all fence looking down at believers and athiests, confident that both are wrong... LOL! At least the atheists have taken a stand... The agnostic is like the guy that never asks the girl out... because he doesnt ask - he doesn't have to bear rejection, on the other hand, his lack of courage keeps him from netting the prize... Pity... Life is a pool of adventure, jump in and be amazed at all that's in the pool! PS It is Alpha Wolf that endorses his own brand of "evolution", I am completely believing the OPPOSITE... In JESUS ...WillieH Rogue Physicist wrote: Quote: women with useless tubes... so they could invent transistors that work.. I really object to this: transistors are crap. Tubes are the only way to get power, reliability, and quality of signal. (Just curious though: what 'tubes' do women have that are 'redundant'? I missed that in biology/sex ed class. Must have been asleep. Please don't tell me it is the vagina, I was hoping this isn't another gay apologist thread) Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: first, agnostic means without knowledge. That's exactly what my stance is. I DON"T KNOW. I'm not talking about science when I say I don't know, i'm talking about possible supernatural forces. and i'm not confident athiests are wrong. I'm confident you are wrong (about your specific beliefs about how god is), but for all I know atheists could be 100% sure. or they may be wrong and maybe there IS a god or gods... but like I said i'm sure it's not like you think. Back to top   '); //--> WillieH Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 111 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: you are who you are... WillieH: AW... you are who you are... an arguing "dog" (no offense intended) chasing his tail... You wish to come down on those that discuss here, just to perpetuate argument.. what a waste of time it is to converse with you.. It is, however, not a waste of time to PRAY for you.. God has you in His hand (Yes His), and you cannot, ...and will not forever be who you are... you will be what He has predestinated you to be, whatever and whenever that is... which lies in HIS Perfect TIME... Thanks LORD for Alpha Wolf... and shine down in your time, ...the light that shall dispense of his darkness... In JESUS name... TheAlphaWolf wrote: first, agnostic means without knowledge. That's exactly what my stance is. I DON"T KNOW. I'm not talking about science when I say I don't know, i'm talking about possible supernatural forces. and i'm not confident athiests are wrong. I'm confident you are wrong (about your specific beliefs about how god is), but for all I know atheists could be 100% sure. or they may be wrong and maybe there IS a god or gods... but like I said i'm sure it's not like you think. Back to top   '); //--> Rogue Physicist sentient bipedal physicist Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 78 Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Well there's a point to admitting that 'we all see darkly, as through a mirror'. And this must be balanced with 'I wish you were hot or cold...'. There's humility in 'I don't know.' But lest it be false, there's also, 'If a man knows to do a thing, and does it not, to him it is sin.' How do we balance the conflicting interests and requirements of life, the Lord, and within ourselves? Wisdom. In all your getting get wisdom. Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: sadly, I have nothing better to do right now. Quote: God has you in His hand (Yes His), and you cannot, ...and will not forever be who you are.. I don't want to be "in his hand" (not the god you believe in anyway). so much for free will. 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