Apostate? ...says who?

WillieH · Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108

WillieH: I have noticed the titles of these forums... How they are "categorized"... Who has named themselves THE authority to have such self-appointed insight? Confused

Possibly one of the reasons many in the "Christian" community are shut off to the SDA church is because of such "puffed up", "self-appointed" (NON-ANNOINTED) statements... Mad

God doesn't work in such ways... He proclaims His message in POWER, not in name calling or Self magnification... Rather in HUMILITY did the SAVIOR of Man come to the Earth... Have you learned NOTHING from Him?

Humility doesn't have to proclaim itself with a finger toward another... It, in MAJESTY, proves itself within the Truth and HOLINESS of its message...

NOT as this forum indicates, but as the SAVIOR indicates.. Not as EGW indicates... but as GOD ANNOINTS!

As in the case of Israel, the scales must one day drop from the eyes of the many prideful (self appointed, not annointed) CHRISTIAN denominations, that they may see the true MAJESTY that lies within ...Humility... Idea

Haven't you noticed that GOD states that many that proclaim His name, are FIRMLY entrenched in Babylon.. What is Babylon?

It's so easy to see that one has to be blind, deaf & dishonest not to see it...

Just look upon the many Denominations (each with their own version of GOD's "truth") that exist in todays "church"... If you include the off-shoots and independents that don't want to name themselves denominations (but nevertheless are) with their independent "truth"... the number is growing in leaps and bounds and approaching uncountable proportions!!!

What does GOD have to say of this? "..come out of her my people..."

All these so named "apostate" churches are VERY BUSY, ...calling the others "APOSTATE"! (Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind)

Their arguement? Hey - we got the "truth", ...they're (the other churches) a "cult". ...Is this not the thinking of SDA's? Is this not the STATEMENT of THIS FORUM? Do you not realize others CALL YOU (SDA's).. The SAME!

I pray for those that TRULY seek GOD's truth, ...not those that lie comfortably in the RELIGION of BABYLON, ...FIRMLY based on some MAN's (or Woman's) writings... Exclamation

If you "quote" HER, ...you're IN HER!

As the LORD said... "Come out of HER..."

I can just see the replies to this post already... ...what about YOU ..WillieH? What about "Your" version?

...Fair enough... The bible says what it says.. and it states that it is of NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION... therefore, if one goes by what it says instead of what some self-proclaimed "prophet" says it says, then one must SEEK for Himself/herself..

How does one do this? ....one that seeks in the manner pleasing to the Lord does it as this (parenthetical comments mine): (Acts 17:10/11) "...these (those in Berea/vs 10)) were more NOBLE than those in Thessolonica in that they recieved the WORD with all readiness of mind, (here's the key) and SEARCHED the SCRIPTURES DAILY whether those things WERE SO.." My point being, if you have your religion down pat.. you have nothing.. If you SEEK and SEARCH for YOURSELF... you are on the like path these "Bereans" were... This is the path I have chosen... NOT accepting ANYONE's religious hoo-haa... rather, (prayerfully) comparing their words to what is said IN THE SCRIPTURES..

Within the SDA doctrine is much FALSEHOOD... on the other hand, I do believe there is more truth within this denomination than many others... I believe in the SABBATH, but NOT as a law to keep.. rather as a standard of Holiness that has been given for our good just as the recommendations for not killing, stealing, etc.. And it is in the GRACE of JESUS CHRIST that I rest every day INCLUDING His HOLY SABBATH day... Ceasing from MY WORK ...EVERY DAY!

In JESUS ...WillieH

DAISY · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:25 am Post subject:

It makes me sad when the management of this board put DERAGATORY TITTLE to people that irks them.Like what Eugene put in mine CONFUSED WHICH IS NOT TRUE AT ALL.I am not just talking to me but to everyone.Eugene when will you start loving your perceived enemies?Despite what you have done to me I am extending to you MY LOVE and PEACE. It may not be perfect LOVE that I would want to but I am getting perfected by the author of PERFECTION & LOVE HIMSELF daily.

Eugene when will you take OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION with GRACE?Consider all people with unique set of personalities and opinions which will sometimes differ from you? WILLIE'S OPINION HERE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ..WILL YOU CONSIDER IT? We cannot control their beliefs but we can win them over to the LORD with LOVE & ACCEPTANCE.I used to ask the LORD about that subject myself"How Lord can I give LOVE when I haven't received it and I do not know how to love the way you love?"BY GETTING TO KNOW ME INTIMATELY AND DRAWING CLOSE TO ME WITH THE WILLINGNESS TO BE SANCTIFIED ON A DAILY BASIS.

That is what the LORD answered..we get that LOVE from the SOURCE OF LOVE HIMSELF as we surrender fully to HIS WAYS...HIS WILL,as we not forget HIM in our daily busy life,giving time to be with HIM.
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WillieH · Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108

WillieH: Hello Daisy...

Hey, you seem to be a seeker of TRUTH.. I recommend the following forums....

TENTMAKER FORUM... SAVIOR OF ALL FORUM... CHRISTIAN COUNTERPOINT FORUM... KINGDOMTALK FORUM...

There is much wisdom and TRUTH offered at these places... and much LESS RIDICULE!

In JESUS, ...WillieH

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:

WillieH · Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108

WillieH: Hi Eugene.. or should I call you the "new William Miller"?

First, I mean you no offense, but I compromise NOT the truth of the Word of God as you do... so I apologize NOT for pointing out that which is contrary... That said...

William Miller and His fellow foundational SDA's were quite wrong about their unfounded prediction of Christ's return.. Seeing that you are the New William Miller.. what's your prediction? Oh Yeah... the day & hour is only known by GOD.. guess you & Mr. Miller would be wrong about this in any case eh?

You have to tolerate me to a degree! If not.. then everyone would see your "my way or the highway" come out of the closet of deception you disguise it in, now wouldnt they?

As far as SDA... I was baptized in this church and for the last 2 years, I fellowship (because of agreement with Sabbath as worship day), at the SDA church... In this fellowship, I find much LOVE, and KINDNESS.. but along with that, much erroneous teaching...

Lets go back to the points in the quotes.. first You, to a degree have to categorize, but your categories are according to your Babylonian knowledge and puffed up (as if you could aspire to Heaven in your sinful state) categorizing... pushing those that disagree with your errors to the WORLD's "Jail" or worse yet "HELL"! You rank with the pharisees of Christs day... And know little of the truth..

You take my point of your categories and infer that it is YOU that knows truth and those that oppose you such as me.. are of Error... You WILL find out different...

Next, you say you know of NO CHURCH that tolerates UNIVERSALISM? To this I say.. Praise the Lord! For it is the Harlot and all of her daughters that hold in bondage.. the Children of the Most High, and He calls them OUT in His Word... "Come out of HER my people" (Rev 18:4)

Then... you state in your puffed up way.. the 3 angels messages as your "power", negating any power that might be in your midst, because the only POWER is the POWER of YAHWEH, and HIS SALAVATION... the Gospel is not an "escape Hell" message as you think it is.. It is rather the RECONCILIATION of MANKIND (in its TOTALITY) that is to be our MESSAGE... (whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Rom 10:13 "EVERY KNEE shall bow and EVERY TONGUE...CONFESS that Jesus Christ is LORD to the glory of GOD the FATHER" Rom 14:11 Every, Eugene... Every! How many is that Eugene?)

You think within these verses of scripture that YOU keep the commandments of GOD? Do you even know what they are? You, like most SDA's have put yourself on a false pedestal of the SABBATH, and through your PHYSICAL KEEPING of the Sabbath, miss ITS SPIRITUAL signficance... You make a simple plan, one of Bondage... one of selectivity, one of respect of persons... that in the end, STANDS ON SAND..

I point no indignant fingers at you New WM.. I point out that you preach a message that is not in order... (1 Tim 4:9-11) points out the completed mission (the Lamb of GOD Taketh away the sin of the WORLD). It (1 Tim 4:11), also points out that this is to be COMMANDED and PREACHED... do you preach it Eugene? (of course you don't, and that is why you oppose me.)

Lets go on... I stated that the GOSPEL is according to how GOD ANNOINTS ...NOT EGW.. and you missed the point... I am not ANNOINTED but I preach the WORD of GOD which IS ANNOINTED... You preach EGW which IS NOT ANNOINTED... (do I have go back to square 1 with you? are you that spiritually illiterate? Much like the Pharisees... you live in carnal understandings.. and fail to see spiritual truth ...at this time)

Babylon is the distorted message of the "Church"... The devil always mixes scripture with his deceptions... All churches within Christianity mirror the 1st Israel and their equal inability to percieve God's Word.. They all have a mix of right and wrong.. a little truth (such as Sabbath) and a little falsehood (such as Hell), mix it in and ...voila! You have another little daughter of the Harlot! (or in the case of SDA a BIG DAUGHTER)

To the degree that you are unenlightened Eugene, ...You might better name yourself the "New Nicodemus" and ask questions like ...How is a man to be born again? Is he to enter His mothers womb a 2nd time?

You, will probably remain a traditionalist Christian... much in the same way that the JEWISH Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees continued after Christ came & went... Clinging to half/truth... without fervent study, without WHOLE HEART Seeking. Resulting in your name, your message and all those poor souls that follow your "blind guidance", ending up in the Lake of Fire.. to be cleansed of these things...

Unlike you Eugene.. I preach that GOD (as is easily and plainly portrayed in His Word) is the LOVER of ALL MEN... (just check these verses: John 3:16 - LOVED the WORLD (ALL) ...1 Tim 2:3-6 (ALL) ...Matt 28:19 (ALL) ...Mark 16:15 (EVERY Creature) ...Rom 5:18 (ALL) ..Col 1:20 (ALL) ...Luke 19:10 (How many are LOST?) ...1 John 4:14 (savior of the WORLD/ALL)

There are so many texts to quote, ...they permeate and plainly point out the GOSPEL and to who it is intended.. I could list verses all night.. they are found in every authors report in the NT..

How many of the Sheep was the Shepherd concerned with, eh Eugene? (Luke 15:4) And what of the lost coin... she searched UNTIL she FOUND IT, ...didnt she? (Luke 15:8-10) ...As in Adam ALL Die (how many?) so IN CHRIST shall ALL be made alive (1 Cor 15:22)(says ALL shall be made alive..IN CHRIST! ...eh Eugene?)

If it is not your time.. you will not see... just as Israel gave up (by the will of God) its "birth right" and yet.... WILL BE SAVED (Rom 11:26), you, at this time, do the same... But again, unlike you (your proclamation of my demise) Eugene, I can pray for your salvation because I know it will come in due time, ...as promised. (1 Tim 3:6)

I am here merely as an instrument to shout these things into the ears that GOD has opened in this moment... If it is not your time.. YOU WILL NOT HEAR!

So I pray for you Eugene.. and for those you mislead...

In JESUS, ...WillieH

Eugene Shubert · Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: Re: EGW was NOT a prophet(ess)

WillieH · Universalist Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 108

WillieH: Hi Eugene...

Thanks for the nice greeting Eugene! Is that how you welcome people to YOUR CHURCH, on behalf of GOD? Hmmm ... the approach needs a little work, Bud!

You only show yourself to be the false teacher you are, by not replying to the post.. Disagreeing with total TRUST in the WORD in the process... Sad

Instead you stand on your (self percieved) pedestal and send me down to the "bottomless pit"... How blind can ONE be?

It is the Lord that opens eyes... It is simply NOT YOUR TIME to see...

Put me where you will Eugene, but it wont change the TRUTH... just as the Jews put Christ to death, and putting PAUL in PRISON, didn't stop the TRUTH from GOING FORTH..

Drivel? sounds like the words of a snob...

You are unable to prove what you say... so you send me to the basement... as if you have any power! The only power you have is that which GOD allows and ordains you to have...

Take heed, Eugene... it can be removed (at His discretion... see the parable of the Stewards)!

In conclusion Eugene, ...I wish you HIS TRUTH.. not the falsely percieved power that you think you have...

In JESUS, ....WillieH