A Reform-minded Seventh-day Adventist forum   In our aim to exalt everything important, first and foremost, we seek to promote a clear understanding of Daniel, Revelation, the three angels' messages and the alpha and omega of apostasy.    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Hi Gene Goto page 1, 2  Next           Forum Index -> Family Room View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Judas Redivivus is under review Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 5 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:27 am    Post subject: Hi Gene Gene Hello. How are you? I hope you are well. We have not spoken for a long time. I would be pleased to speak with you again and to become reaquainted. I have never ceased loving you and I have the great hope that you continue to be well. Can we speak? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: There is no harmony between Jesus and Judas Persons who obey the truth have no partnership with those who have seared their conscience. Believers in Scripture should never befriend a betrayer of Christ. If repentance from Judas type treachery were possible, the conversion would be noticeable. There would be an obvious transformation in mind and a dramatic shift in life. Outrageous lies are not an evidence of repentance. Back to top   '); //--> Judas Redivivus is under review Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 5 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: life changes Dear Gene, I completely understand your response. When I was drinking, my mind and spirit were both unhealthy and unreliable and I cannot depend on my memory or rationality during that time. I am completely at your mercy and your willingness to forgive, but at least know that I am genuinely sorry for failing our friendship. As for life changing transformations, though I was able to stop smoking through prayer alone, I found it necessary to enter a formalized program to stop drinking alcohol. It has been challenging but successful so far. At least I have been reminded that every sober breath I draw depends upon the grace and will of God and my continued focus. I'm not much of a saint and do not disagree with your statements about not associating with me - I wouldn't much care to associate with me either, but I don't have a choice - so I'm trying to get better. I have other changes I need to make, with the Lord's help I will make them. You have been a great help and inspiration to me. I don't think I would have made it in life as far as I have without your help in the past. Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: forgiving? Quote: Believers in Scripture should never befriend a betrayer of Christ would you consider me a betrayer of christ? what about muslims, buddhists, etc.? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: AW, Did you ever know Jesus and then turn against him? Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Direct Communication JR, You wanted to speak with me on the phone. There's a high probability that I'll be home tomorrow morning. Call me then if you like. I emailed you my telephone number. Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:22 pm    Post subject: I guess you could say that... I was raised as a catholic and went to a catholic school until I was 11. but of course, I can't turn against jesus if I'm not even sure if he existed. although I am against religion so you could certainly say that. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Not in my power JR wrote: I am completely at your mercy and your willingness to forgive It's not in my power. Christ says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent" (Revelation 3:19). Back to top   '); //--> Judas Redivivus is under review Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 5 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:20 am    Post subject: RE: Not in my power Gene, Thank you for the encouragement. I would still like to speak with you on the phone some time, but I want to have a longer successful track record of being "clean and sober" before doing so. I don't have the courage to call you and have you ask me, "how long has it been since you stopped drinking," and then I answer, "well, I've been trying very hard for many months, but have only been completely successful for about 4 weeks." I would rather be able to say, "many months." Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Not in my power JR, I'm sure that there are many totally self-absorbed hedonists who realize that freedom from intoxicants favors their temporal self-interests. If they can stop drinking completely, maybe you can too. For you to acquire faith, love for God and love for the truth, that's the miracle I want to see. Back to top   '); //--> TheAlphaWolf agnostic Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 88 Location: USA Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: Just remember that you don't have to believe in god or have faith in order to quit and be happy. Don't worry if you don't, as you can still quit :P Back to top   '); //--> Judas Redivivus is under review Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 5 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Not in my power Gene wrote: I'm sure that there are many totally self-absorbed hedonists who realize that freedom from intoxicants favors their temporal self-interests. If they can stop drinking completely, maybe you can too. For you to acquire faith, love for God and love for the truth, that's the miracle I want to see. I pray for this miracle. Back to top   '); //--> Eugene Shubert the new William Miller Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 1073 Location: Richardson Texas Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: Not in my power J.R. wrote: I pray for this miracle. Your admission of not having those items that I believe are essential for salvation and friendship with me (faith, love for God and love for the truth) is a marvelous achievement in becoming self-aware. Back to top   '); //--> Judas Redivivus is under review Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 5 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Not in my power Gene You say so - I have reached the conclusion that your hatred of me cannot be quenched. There is no point in further dialogue You do not determine if my faith and love for God are sufficient or present: God does. You are not God. 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