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Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: Unification of faiths
Blessings my fellow believers!
I'd like to hear what you think of Unifying the feeling of faith throughout the planet.
All religions come from the same source and share a similar message of peace, love and forgiveness, self-restraint and compassion.
It is something that has come down from the heavens.
The spiritworld is now acting on changing the mindset of fearfull humans towards a more positive future where we all can live together like brothers and sisters in an atmosphere of tolerance and self-growth.
You are reading this means that you are an integral part of this plan, your thoughts and reactions to this action of me typing this message is forming a cloud of ideas that are to be shaped in the near future. (you will see it happening this spring and summer all around you)
I see that my last thread has been moved and probably somewhat misunderstood, this is somewhat expected but doesn't matter. I needed to let you know where I am coming from.
What matters is that all that really exists is people and peoples attitudes and ideas is what makes up the worlds expectations. We are souls wandering around in physical bodies, points of consciousness that interact and create this dreamday we are sharing.
so I have a few important questions to you..
Do you believe in a brighter future ?
Do you dare to say what is right or rather stay silent infront of masses of ignorance ?
Can you accept an evolving sense of faith where things aren't written in stone but rather by the hearts of your fellow humans ?
I will contribute more to this thread in the future, in the meantime im looking forward to reading some of your answers.
Peace & love be with ya'll _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
The spiritworld is now acting on changing the mindset of fearful humans towards a more positive future …
I see powerful/popular delusions and the world moving rapidly toward demonic convergence.
alcyone wrote:
you will see it happening this spring and summer all around you
The demonic convergence between the dragon, beast and false prophet began in a dramatic way last year. [*]
alcyone wrote:
Do you believe in a brighter future ?
I believe in the brightness of Christ's Second Coming being so powerful that it will actually slay the wicked one. I believe in the glorious future as presented in the book of Revelation.
alcyone wrote:
Do you dare to say what is right or rather stay silent …?
I dare to say what is right.
alcyone wrote:
Can you accept an evolving sense of faith where things aren't written in stone but rather by the hearts of your fellow humans ?
I see the presence of light in a limited number of fellow humans.
I believe in the Ten Commandments written by God in stone.
Truth is found in the Bible. "The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day." Proverbs 4:18.
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject:
yes. we are speaking of the same thing. I dont disagree with any of your points.
"genuine faith" is that people are kind and forgiving and wouldn't hurt a fly unless they have to, that is because it is the same chemicals in each of our brain working the same mechanism. When scientists first found out about the mechanism in the brain which causes religious experiences the community was divided, half said that this is proof there is no god and the other half said this is proof there is a god and we just now found the way he contacts us. I know how to operate this mechanism, it is something which has been passed down in my family for generations and I have seen angels and demons on my journeys and have established a personal relationship with god. and believe it or not but I am here to learn from you all and maybe teach some of what I know, seeing as we come from very different starting points but all leading up to god in heaven.
What I ment is that you still still feel different and awkward in the company of a very different culture, say buddhism or islam. Even if they have the exact same feelings toward "god" as you do. And this is what is going to change the feeling of understanding is reaching new levels and tolerance and compassion will spread in the soul of humanity.
which will come to a point in the public eye where major religions start working on what brings us together instead of what divides us with an attitude of peace and tolerance. Brothers and sisters on this planet all together, something which has been waited on for ages is finally coming into play.
this caught my attention : I said: All religions come from the same source and share a similar message of peace, love and forgiveness, self-restraint and compassion.
You replied: There is no way to reconcile the religion of Christians and demons. The three angels' messages and the three demons' messages are violently opposed to each other.
yes they are, but are not the demons also creations of the same god ?
god does have a plan, and evil is a part of it.
humans face choices every second of their lives which can be either good or bad, tempted by demons or guided by angels.
evil isn't defeated by swords or bombs but in every persons heart who chooses to be good.
about christs second coming, it is already here, coming at you very quick.. the person to step up into the focus of the hopes and dreams of jesus return is already born, but this time he will not be alone..
thousands and thousands will be with him, most likely some of you too.
and yea, the ten commandments are good rules, I like what jesus taught also very much, especially the golden rule. it is something which I hold very dear and try to live my life accordingly.
but one thing which I haven't mentioned yet in very clear words, is that there are forces working on both sides in the end the outcome is the same but the path to it can be a long bumpy ride or a short waterslide. _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
I am going to list some of what I see as your assertions. Please note in which ones I am correct, and which ones I am wrong. I have also added Scriptural evidence that speaks against it.
A. You seem to hold that evil is part of God's plan.
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2CO 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
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RO 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.
B. You believe that things on this earth will get better.
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2TI 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
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2TI 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
C. You assert that all paths to God are equally viable (though some may be a bit more roundabout).
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AC 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 He is
" `the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone. '
AC 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
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JN 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(Note, this does not in my mind indidate that God might not have those following Him to the best of their knowledge who still recognize their need for mercy, and receive it AS A RESULT of Jesus' death. But I don't think that other religions teach that Jesus is the only route to heaven.
D. You stress the moral/ethical etc. elements of the faith, but do not talk anything of the grace of God or His plan for salvation through the death of His Son. You also seem to think that Jesus is simply a nice ethical teacher, who's concepts we are free to accept or not.
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RO 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-- 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
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HEB 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
E. The world will unify into one worship.
In this you agree with the scriptures, but it will be a false system of worship.
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2TH 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
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REV 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
In fact, the Bible makes quite clear we DON'T want to be a part of that unification.
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REV 14:9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
F. You indicate that Jesus has been reborn on earth...or at least a form of Christ. This goes against Jesus' own words:
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MT 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
MT 24:26 "So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
This clearly indicates that Jesus' second coming will be, as all the accounts describe, a glorious appearing in the clouds, not an appearing among men that could somehow be overlooked for a time.
You seem to suggest that someone other than Christ will step into the "hopes" etc. I don't doubt that for a second. Jesus says many false Christs will come. And they will indeed draw many...as we saw above...the whole world will follow them.
You might really think that you are on the same page with Eugene, but I assure you, you are miles apart.
There is also the possibility that you think that we are simply a bit on the slow side, following just one path to God...perhaps not even the most direct (because if so, why bother us with new information).
And please, before anyone accuses me of being unloving or unkind, realize that he also put a virtue on expressing what is right rather than remain silent. This is what I am attempting to do. I intend no malice.
It is not unkindness that prompts this, but in fact it is the recognition of very different beliefs. If you want to convince us that we are missing out on a great unification of faith, you will need to address these and many other scriptures which seem to militate against some of your suppositions.
By the way, the new covenant speaks of writing the law on our hearts and in our minds, so I have no problem with that.
If I have mistated your views please let me know so I can correct my understanding.
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:02 am Post subject:
I dont consider myself on the same page, maybe not even the same book , but definetly we are all shuffling through in the same library.
Yes well, I can not see how evil could exist other than by the grace and mercy of god, god doesn't destroy the evil cause God is good and god still has hopes in saving those that are evil. And without evil there would be no test in the hearts of men, no choice for them to make.
and yes, maybe I didn't put it clearly enough, but I do believe jesus to be our saviour and have accepted him in my heart (in my other thread, maybe a bit vaguely described but the experience where I decided to start believe in god)and why I already said "he is here" cause the messages and actions of jesus are today stronger than ever, no other time has had equally many people believing in him and following his teachings, so in a way we got billions (most aren't really in for it for good, but still enough to usher in a change of attitudes) of people trying to live their life like jesus.
and why My faith hasn't waivered since the day I accepted it is because I feel continuos proof and I sense the same force/energy/entity in every religion, more closely put in every person that even speaks of their experience of faith.
And this is what is the basis of the coming ages of peace, the next thousands years when humanity survives and sorts out its major stumbling stones we will see an age of peace and tolerance.
I have friends that have not accepted jesus into their life and still live their life with anger as a poison in their veins, but that doesn't make me despair or less friendly towards them, I need to treat people right no matter are they good or bad as it is not my task to judge them.
and yes, I will agree that the coming system of unified faith will be false in a way, cause it will be very shallow and artificial, but nonetheless it will be a platform where people can access their own spirituality to develop their own sense of faith.
Where a church is a place for the community to gather and accept everyone not exclude those that think differently. This will be a very important factor if we want peacefull coexistance on this planet.
Those with faith do not need this, but all those without will find it a comfortable stepping stone into a higher spiritual world and an end to the ratrace, where materialism has served its purpose.
some will build up their faiths of pieces of buddhism and islam
while some will use christianity and animalistic pagan religions.
Others will stick with science but see the proof, the thin red line running through it all. and thats what this is all about, the red line running through it all..
like I said all paths will eventually lead to god, it came from it and it will return there when the time is right. this is what is called infinity.
and no I dont think you are on the slow side, I can see the faith in your texts and I can definetly feel the "magic" in this site and the weight of your opinions. And my experiences with spirits working on maintaining this world and guiding me or vice versa (sometimes I am guiding lost spirits to god) aren't in anyway conflicting with my faith, moreso my faith guides me through the trials I face as a servant of god.
I am gratefull for your answers and copies from the scriptures, they have me thinking and I'll be sure to keep them with me in a coming group meditation I'll be doing later today with a close family member.
I'll elaborate more on this topic later when I get something new from the sources..
one thing I dont like is im being moved into this false prophet convetion center, as I dont really see myself as a prophet or anything to do with the beast or a dragon, my rhyme and rhythm is something which is keeping people straight and helping them to find their own way by making them feel with their hearts.. I am just like you except coming from a different background with different values to begin and trying to find my way with my faith as my guiding light _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:29 am Post subject:
I'll just input a short explanation on how tomorrows spiritual reality is built up.
This world we are living in, the place we share our ideas and thoughts in is just a shared illusion, kind of like god has asked us a question "do you want to come to heaven?" and life is the moment we are doubting before we say yes..
there are over 6 billion points of consciousness in this world, all with hopes and expectations of tomorrow, fears and troubling thoughts.
It is the combined energy of the past day which creates tomorrow, some might say tomorrow is 90% of today or 99% of today, which is very much true. But in each day there is a chance for change. a way to turn things better. As you might have noticed most people are afraid of doing anything unless they have the majority behind them (go democracy :) )
and that is very true for major events on the spiritual plane. Nothing happens unless there is someone hoping for what others fear (a weird duality I haven't still been able to crack) What is manifesting there is the most common fears and the most common hopes and dreams and you pull into your "piece of reality" what you expected from it, what you hoped and feared.. you might not even notice how much your mind wanders and creates small fragments of ideas and dreams that are all stored forever, until some might come back and please you or haunt you when the right persons come along with suitable patterns in their dreamday.
It is quite easy to create a better tomorrow infact, I am sure most of you already live like this so I might just be wasting my breath.
But 1. Think positive (never lose hope and faith)
2. Be cool. (that means, dont be uncool)
3. Turn the other cheek (Do not revenge)
and what might come as a suprise to you, you will have to act like this both when you are awake and asleep to make a difference, cause when you dream you are in your own world (unless you know techniques to get out into the real dreamworld, I can explain on this too if you like) and while most people dont recognize the difference between sleep and being awake. It is a very critical difference cause what we do during the night subconsciously is what bring out the events that will happen next. And more importantly it is the dream that prepares on how we will react to what has already been envisioned higher up.
unconditional love towards all your fellow humans is what really is gonna turn this game around :)
this post got alot longer than I intended and I realized I could have made an entire new topic here since this isn't really within the set parameters. nonetheless I feel that you might benefit some more by reading this if not other than my understanding my point of view better..
so peace & love to ya'll reading this, I feel we are getting somewhere slowly.. _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
the basis of the coming ages of peace, the next thousands years when humanity survives and sorts out its major stumbling stones we will see an age of peace and tolerance.
Where did you receive your view of the future? You need to stop channeling demons and start to consider God's word. The messages of angels and demons are in violent contradiction to each other.
alcyone wrote:
I will agree that the coming system of unified faith will be false in a way, cause it will be very shallow and artificial, but nonetheless it will be a platform where people can access their own spirituality to develop their own sense of faith.
Jesus asks believers to attain the highest standard possible. "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:48). You and Satan are directing humankind to a very false low standard.
alcyone wrote:
one thing I dont like is im being moved into this false prophet convetion center, as I dont really see myself as a prophet or anything to do with the beast or a dragon
It's clear to me that you don't believe in living by every word that comes from the mouth of God. That means that you reject the first angel's message and embrace the first demon's message.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/gospel
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:58 am Post subject:
My messages come from various sources, personal guardian angels that have been with me since birth and protecting my family line since the dawn of man. And from my own educated guesses from current situations, what goes around comes around so if you know what is going on you can see where things are headed.
And to your request of stop channeling entities, that is a no, I am quite safe from evil spirits even when I come in contact with them, I rarely do, unless they ask me for my assistance in helping them become good.
And I have considered god's word, I live by it everyday.
And yes, even if there is contradiction doesn't mean there is not a huge grey space between the dark and the light. It is here where I am working, like a treadstone, shining my beacon into the night to guide losts souls back into the light. I am sorry if you feel that it is wrong but I am only trying to help those that need it. That is part of the reason why I am here.
yes, I am trying to attain the highest possible state of perfection, I have asked to stay back here on this earth to help and guide along those that need. A few times I have come close to death and been given a choice to go with my heavenly father or return here to my work in progress. I have returned here each time since there is still so much to be done.
I feel kinda creepy when you put me in the same sentence as satan, but that is your choice.
Maybe you didn't read right but I said it to be a platform where people can access their own spirituality, much like I have learned to understand the inner workings of my mind and how my heart remains connected to the earth and the heavens as a temporary home for my soul..
Like I also said most that already have found faith in their lives will not need this, but those that haven't those that are still lost in the materialism and greed of this world will find it a sorely needed refuge, just in time.
Each in their own fashion will learn to evolve to be closer with god, just like you have.
You must have misunderstood me or put words into my mouth by your own accord, cause I assure you cannot find a post where I say anything against the first angels message or anything that agrees with the message of the first demon. _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
I have considered god's word, I live by it everyday.
And yes, even if there is contradiction doesn't mean there is not a huge grey space between the dark and the light. It is here where I am working
alcyone,
You need to come out of the gray space and into the light. The Bible is true. Your spirit guides are lying to you. Your messages and the messages of your "personal guardian angels" are decidedly unbiblical.
The book of Revelation clearly teaches that this world is coming to an end. A great demonic alliance of evil worldly powers will overthrow liberty of conscience and enforce conformity to a false system of beliefs. Coercion is evil. It's not progress.
This world isn't getting better. It's getting much worse.
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject:
I am from the light. It is who I am and it is where I sleep and rest my thoughts. My work is in the grey. I cannot ignore the call of duty which I have awoken, now that would be unethical
ohh my angels are unbiblical ? (you've probably never met one of them so how would you know? )well im not gonna bother trying dispute your opinions you are entitled to. (might just ask one of them to pay you a visit)
just that you have no basis for them only assumption which is a pretty thin reason to condemn another to be working with the devil.
So I say they are not. They are the same ones that have been since the dawn of time. I know how distinguish between the spirits of demons and lost human souls and how to recognize a true angelical helper. It is part of who I am to do this.
and yeah, the book of revelation says it will end, does it say when? no.. I dont think it does. if it does, show me the passage that says WHEN.
what I said about you creating your own world partly when you sleep and partly on how your expectations react with other peoples worlds..
your negative thoughts concering the future is what you are bringing into this shared reality from your own dreamworld inside your head.
and these negative thoughts are playing right into the hands that want this world destroyed up in flames, creating more despair and less hope..
and I ask you, as a man that believes in a god that is good, is that what you really want ? Try it for a day or two and see how you like a positive mindset, not just for the future but for the past too. Cause that is what we really are doing everyday and night, creating both the past and the future and upholding this world with our minds.. _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
alcyone, I didn't say that your angels were unbiblical. They most definitely are biblical!
"They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty" (Revelation 16:14).
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 21 Location: helsinki, finland
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject:
well you are obviously ignoring the true point of my posts and have clearly already decided for yourself that I am not to be trusted in these matters.. oh well, nothing I can do about that, my concern is only for how well put out the message is (there is always work to be done here) but I cannot influence on how well you receive it.
Goodluck to all of you in your quests and missions in life :)
I'll stick around and pop-in once in a while to give my input on things...
so see ya in the future. _________________ dancing to the tune of love on the green hills of eternity
You obviously don't but we should discuss your deeply entrenched misperceptions anyway.
alcyone wrote:
and yeah, the book of revelation says it will end, does it say when? no
The Bible does not specify the day and the hour, no. The Bible gives numerous signs to watch for however and those who are watchful see the approaching end. The end is astonishingly close.
alcyone wrote:
your negative thoughts concerning the future is what you are bringing into this shared reality from your own dreamworld inside your head.
No. My view of the future is what the Bible says the future will be.
alcyone wrote:
and these negative thoughts are playing right into the hands that want this world destroyed up in flames, creating more despair and less hope..
and I ask you, as a man that believes in a god that is good, is that what you really want?
("Negative thoughts"). Now you're condemning the Scriptures that you profess to respect. God will destroy the world by fire (2 Peter 3:7,10) soon and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
alcyone wrote:
you have already decided for yourself that I am not to be trusted in these matters
I'm not challenging any of your experiences, only your interpretation of those experiences.
alcyone wrote:
you have no basis for them only assumption which is a pretty thin reason to condemn another to be working with the devil.
I know that your spirit entities are lying to you because their messages are resolutely opposed to the Biblical perspective.
"To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20, New King James Version).
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